End Times Health War: Interview with Steve Wohlberg

welcome back to another episode of Christian Natural Health today I'm very pleased to have Steve Wahlberg with us

Steve is the director and Speaker of White Horse media he's the author of 40 plus books including End Times health

War which and he's been the guest on over 500 radio and TV shows he is spoken

by special invitation inside the Pentagon and the US Senate Mr Walberg currently lives in Scenic Priest River

Idaho with his wife Kristen they've been married for 24 years and their two children Seth aged 20 and Abby 17

Steve loves The Great Outdoors hiking swimming and spending quality time with his family welcome Steve thanks for joining us yes thank you you have a

really updated bio because Abby just turn just turned 17 coup days ago so that she was 16 as

of a week ago but now she's wow okay well I'm glad I got it right excellent yeah thanks for having me as your guest

yeah for sure so today we're going to be talking about your new book and Times health War sounds very relevant um so

first of all tell us kind of some of the backstory what got you into the health space from like so you're a Believer and

why did you take kind of the scriptural approach to health what was what was the motivating factor there yeah and there's

a lot behind this um I I grew up in a in a very secular Jewish Home in the Hollywood Hills okay I wasn't I wasn't a

Christian at all until I was 20 years old as a as a teenager I got lost in the world of drugs and alcohol uh the

wildlife but somewhere uh the Lord just it was was God I'm sure it was God he impressed me to start doing something

good for myself so I started growing sprouts and micro greens even when I was using

drugs I so when I became a Christian at the age of 20 I laid off the bad habits

and kept the good habits so uh I've been sprouting and growing uh healthy things

for over probably 50 years um so I've always been interested in health but

what really catapulted me into a deeper dive was after my wife and I were

married and our first child was Seth and when Seth was about 3 years old he

started uh having seizures which was the most horrible thing that I've ever seen

if you can imagine looking at your own little little boy convulsing I mean it was just a nightmare and so we had a

whole bunch of test run on him and we found a neurologist we were living in California at the time in the Fresno

area and the neurologist diagnosed him with a a form of epilepsy and put him on

U medication and said he's going to be on medication for many years and he he'll have to go two years without a

seizure then we'll consider taking him off the medication so we trusted his guidance we didn't really know what else

to do and of course we were praying during this whole time yeah and he

started having terrible reactions to the medication he would wake Seth would wake

up uh about an hour after he'd go to sleep and he would he would start screaming and he would put his hands

over his ears and just you know uh just make motions and scream and we finally

figured out this was the this was not his his uh epilepsy this was the medication that he was on and so finally

after praying and praying and praying dear God please help us to know what to do we found a a physician Dr Dr John

mundall the Liberty Clinic in Spokane Washington and by that time we were just in the

process of moving up out of Fresno into the North Idaho area so we found Dr mandal and he said I'm going to test

your son for heavy metals so he ran all these tests his hair his his blood his

urine and found that he was our little boy was loaded with lead cadmium arsenic

all kinds of heavy metals and he said this is contributing to his seizures and we're going to go we're going to go the

detox route instead of the med the medication route it's time for a detox so and Dr Dr

mundal warned us he said when when we first get him off the medication it's going to be uh it's going to be rough

it's going to be bumpy he's gonna have he probably will have some more seizures uh but just hold the line Dr mandal said

hold the line he'll get over this so we trusted God and him and it wasn't long

until he was off the medication he wasn't having any seizures his life was coming back to normal and he and now

he's 20 years old he hasn't had a seizure in probably 16 or 17 years and

uh and so that whole experience there was a Bible verse that just kept coming to my mind um that the curse causeless

shall not come but there has to be a cause for this and in this case we we

believe that it was the the heavy metals that he got from his environment that for whatever reason uh his body wasn't

processing and and eliminating them yeah and so that just really gave me a a a

strong motivation to study more into health and as a result of him getting

over this and as a writer I decided to go public with the story and to talk

about health principles and study more into Health principles and the result was the book end time Health War that's

how what happened yeah and did you ever discover where he got these heavy metals from or did was it already old by that

point and it didn't really matter or what was the yeah you know a lot of people ask that question and we've never

really been able to pinpoint one thing uh as I as I studied this more carefully

I realized that we live on on a toxic planet and whether it's the water the

air uh the soil things that in our houses and during this whole time my my

wife and I and our daughter when our daughter was mourn uh we we were all tested for heavy metals and every single

one of us you know out of our hair you can do a hair analysis you can see lead in the hair

and so we just concluded that these this is something that we all just have to deal with all the time and the key is to

build up the body to build up the immune system to build up your body's ability to get rid of these things on a regular

basis uh maybe you've heard of Dr Sherry Rogers you know she's uh quite a a

researcher on toxicity and so she basically says you know the chemicals are there and the body

produces uh you know toxins just through regular metabolism but the more nutrition you get into your body then

the body is able to get the toxins out so more nutrients in more toxins out you

know people get clogged up and they have different issues genetic issues or environmental issues and sometimes the

body burden becomes so great that you see consequences in in C case it was

seizures yeah absolutely and uh one of the things that I loved about your book is that it's straight naturopathic

Theory I mean you're essentially talking about the building blocks for health make sure all of these are present if

they're not even though your body is designed to heal itself it's not going to be able to do it if you're not giving it the pieces that are necessary and

also making sure the environment is conducive to health and some of that also involves if there's an obstacle to

cure find it and get rid of it can you go through some of those building blocks that you talk about in more detail for

our listeners yeah yes there there's an there's an acronym that I use is called New Start and uh it's based actually

based on an Institute in Northern California called uh wear Institute that

teaches the new start Health principles and so n n for New Start n stands for

nutrition e is exercise W is water s is sunlight T is temperance or self-control

air is or a is air fresh air R is rest and T is trust in God so those are the

building blocks and they're they're really basic you know people that have studied Health Physicians naturopathic

healers uh it's really basic that we need to exercise we need to move around like even taking a walk we need to drink

more water we need to get more nutrients in our bodies we need to get the vitamin D from the Sun uh and so these are the

building blocks we call them the eight doctors the eight Physicians and uh you

know there's really that's the most important thing that we can do is to do the simple basic things eat more

unprocessed food natural uh plant-based Foods as much as we can get the fiber

get the nutrients uh drink the water get the exercise get get off the couch and move you know God didn't put man in a he

didn't create man in a living room on a couch he put him in a garden right and him you know move his body and so these

are the they're the laws of Health you know there's moral laws like the Ten Commandments and there's physical laws

like exercise and drinking water and getting good nutrition so these are the

that's yeah I love the way that you put that because I think so many people think that if they have X disease they

don't think of it as it's a deficiency in this drug that you're given in order to treat it but that is kind of the the

med the medical Paradigm that we're that we're immersed in and yet God made it so

simple our our bodies are designed to heal themselves and there are rules that you have to follow in order for it to do

what it's designed to do and if you break those laws you're going to suffer the consequences it's pretty straightforward it's just not the it is

think of it that's right we live in a in a world where uh you know the medical training of so many Physicians is is uh

Pharmaceuticals and I'm not saying there there's no place ever for a pharmaceutical intervention right but

for chronic chronic issues and general health issues uh you know we're in an

epidemic of of cancer heart disease high blood pressure diabetes and and these

are lifestyle lifestyle diseases and they they build up over time generally

generally speaking uh because people have bad habits and so the the better

solution rather than just looking for a pill is to learn how to take care of your body and build up your immune

system and so I'm not a physician but I've done a lot of homework in this area and my book has endorsements from many

Physicians who recognize that these principles are basic and another thing that I bring into the book which I think

is rather unique and in many uh books dealing with health is is the spiritual Dimension that I realized with my son's

battle and with some of my battles and other people's battles uh I'm a I'm a

minister and I look at the Bible I read the Bible regularly and I've realized that the battle over the body is part of

the Great controversy between God and the devil you know God God's greatest concern is our souls and our faith in

Jesus but he's also very concerned about the body if you look at Jesus life in Matthew Mark Luke and John he he healed

more than he taught and many times when he healed people uh demons came out of

these people and Jesus often connected their physical ailments with the Demonic

uh there's a verse in Luke 13: 16 where Jesus healed the woman and then he said

shouldn't this daughter of Abraham who has been bound by Satan these 18 years

shouldn't she be set free and so he saw Satan's power many times

in in connection with people's physical issues and I'm convinced that the battle

over the chronic diseases and and heart disease and cancer we're not just

dealing with uh with flesh and blood we're dealing with principalities and

powers and evil forces that are trying to destroy us and just you know bring us to an early grave and God wants us to be

our Soul's healthy and our B's is healthy so we can serve him better amen absolutely so I mean I like the the

context there for people to put this into the bigger picture the fact that all of creation fell with sin and our

bodies are part of that and we're also in a war we've got an enemy who wants to take us out of the game and if we're

focused on constantly dealing with our symptoms and our health and going to

this that and the other that's going to take so much of our time and energy that could be spent on what God's placed us

on this Earth to do absolutely and that seems like a really good strategy on Satan's part in order to use right yeah

it's it's a word Jesus said I have come that they might have life and have it more abundantly and then he said the thief comes only to steal and kill and

destroy yes and some people say Lauren they say well you know when my time

comes I'm going to die anyway it doesn't make any difference but there's a verse in Ecclesiastes chapter 7 verse 17 that

says why die before your time amen yeah so God wants us live uh there's another

verse that I really like yeah in third third John verse two where John says

beloved I wish above all things that you may prosper and be in health even as your soul is prospering so God is

concerned about our souls number one but our health as well and when you look at the verse right before it and the verses

right after it John talks about in verse one those who he loves in the truth

verse three he says he talks about those who walk in the truth verse four I have

no Greater Joy than to hear that my children walk in the truth so verse two talks about health and then verse one

verse three and verse four talks about truth and we know that Satan is a is a liar and the father of Lies so the

battle over our health is also a battle between truth and error and we're we're getting all this

propaganda uh from so many uh sources that are teaching us if you just take

this little pill or this purple pill or this you know this or that uh you can you can be fine and be healthy and a lot

of this is just propaganda designed to give us an easy path that bypasses the

principles of healthful living so I want to ask you to sort of nail down for some

of our listeners who might be of the persuasion I mean it's often preached

that God will you know it's whatever happens is going to be God's Will and so we're just going to accept it because he

must have a reason and they're usually speaking about something along the lines of what some of the diagnoses that

you're describing or health complications and so there's sort sort of that just general passive acceptance

that the only things that happen good or bad are coming from God can you address

that yeah um God is a god of of law he's a god of love and he's also a god of law

yeah uh you know he made uh Gravity the law of gravity and so God is a god of

order in First Corinthians says the Lord is not a God of confusion but of peace and let all things be done decently and

in order so God is also a master designer and you look at our bodies our bodies are the crowning work of his

creation and he gave us certain laws uh and there are consequences to the

violation of these laws and so that's part of our education as Believers is to

realize that God is a god of love and Order and law and cooperating with his

laws uh is beneficial now Satan says God's laws are evil he says we need to just go

our own way and do our own thing and then we're going to be happy and that's a disaster and if you look at the if you look at the Ten Commandments the and I

teach the Ten Commandments I teach them one by one in my seminars many times and then I point people to the grace of

Jesus because we've all sinned and we all need a savior but the the sixth commandment says do not murder and and

murder has many different applications you know Jesus said in Matthew five he said you've heard it said don't commit

adultery but I say that if you look lustfully you've already committed adultery in your heart so what he did

was he took a magnifying glass and looked at the law of God in its spiritual depth and the same thing

applies to the sixth commandment do not murder yes it applies to suicide bombers or taking a gun and shooting somebody

but it also applies to I believe it applies to uh babies to infants I

believe that you know God values life and that we can murder we can murder

children in the womb uh and I've got another whole other book on that topic and then it also applies to uh slow

suicide by our habits we can kill ourselves we can murder ourselves right

by eating junk food eating a bunch of processed food uh not drinking water

being lazy etc etc you know we are uh we're killing ourselves we're and thus

we're breaking the law of God and so Jesus wants us to repent have faith in him receive his forgiveness and then

receive his holy spirit that gives us strength to do the right thing as Dr as

Dr uh Laura slesinger slesinger used to say go on and do the right thing and the

right thing is to make good decisions that are beneficial for our bodies and

uh and and that are designed to be helpful to others and so it's all part of the spiritual war and Satan just

wants us to to think in terms of shortcuts you know as as they say uh

there's what is this what there's an old saying about uh Success is Not an elevator you've got to take the stairs

you have to you have to go step by step and as they say Rome wasn't built in a

day and the journey Thousand Miles begins with the first step so taking a first step to uh eat the apple instead

of eating just Apple candy I I read a book once called The Compound Effect

that talked about the long-term compound effects of small choices that you make

on a daily basis eventually gets you a very long distance that's right and to

to back up and sort of re-emphasize what I think I heard uh so there was the the

first piece is Jesus came that we might have life and have it more abundantly it is the enemy that comes to steal kill

and destroy not God EXA that's right at the same time also so you're talking

about this idea of God made the world by laws and we have to cooperate with those laws So for anybody who might be

listening and feeling like oh but I'm doing everything right and I'm still not getting better so that I think is part of the story that you're describing with

your son where it wasn't your fault quote unquote it wasn't choices that you made that was that were causing the

accumulation of the heavy medals that was the Fallen World but there's it's still operating according to the laws

that God put in place such that you have to identify and remove obstacles to cure

if things are not getting better with the building blocks something has to be in the way because God is a god of order

and he is a god of logic and that was the point at which you went to someone who could help you identify what the

obstacle to cure might be correct yes and there are some there are I mean as

you mentioned we live in a fallen world so there are certain genetic uh issues

uh that that we can can't avoid there's no guarantee that if we do everything right we're not going to get sick you

know there's certain things that we just can't avoid and in those cases we just you know the Bible talks about being

patient and suffering and that we have hope that someday we're going to get a new body when Jesus comes again so that

gives us the big picture and gives us hope but uh there are a lot of things that we can do to improve our health and

it's those things that we need to focus on certain things we can't avoid you know some people are born without arms

you know or or they have a certain you know genetic issue and uh it you know

they need an intervention they might need you know new kidneys or or something and

there you know he's that's right the author of that's right Satan is H and so

you know sin is is destructive sin sin is the problem not God a lot of people

have physical problem they blame God and they think well God why did you let this happen to me why did you do this to me

but there's a parable where Jesus told he said an enemy has done this the enemy has done this so this was all the result

of sin and God allows he's allowing this drama to go on on the earth to teach us

that going Satan's way which is what the world has done is a disaster and going

his way is is good here's a verse here's a verse in Exodus chapter 15 when God

brought Israel out of Egypt he said in verse uh Exodus 152 6 the Lord said to

the Israelites if you diligently hearken to the voice of the Lord your God and if you do what is right in his sight if you

give ear to his Commandments and keep his statutes I will put none of these diseases upon you which I have brought

upon the Egyptians for I am the Lord that heals you so God is concerned about

health he wants to heal us he doesn't want us to have diseases that uh can be

avoided uh obedience to God is is beneficial for the body one of the the

fifth commandment says that it may be well with you and that you may live long on the land which the Lord your God is

giving you so we just need to understand the basic principles that God is a god of Life he's a god of love he wants

what's best for us he sent his son to die for us to rise from the dead he wants to forgive us he wants to help us

and enable us to make good choices that are beneficial for our bodies so we can serve him better and that we have an

enemy who is doing everything he can to destroy us and bring us down absolutely

and it's all part of a spiritual spiritual battle yeah absolutely I think that it's it's so important to get that

first this idea that God is good by our definition and he doesn't do anything

that isn't good every good and perfect gift comes down from him and once we get

that it seems like it's a lot easier for us to say okay if he wants us to be healthy and he's put laws in place such

that we can get healthy it's empowering in a sense if you're not going to try to solve a problem if you think it can't be

solved but that's right it sounds like exactly yeah yes and we need and we need to look for the cause like in in the

case of our son when he was having seizures uh that verse kept coming to my mind the curse causeless shall not come

that there is a cause now sometimes we can't uh we can't you know avoid these

causes but sometimes we can and most time you know when people get sick they

they find they ask themselves uh what pill can I take what will the doctor give me

but they should also think well what have I been doing is there anything that I've been doing that's contributing to

this that I can start doing things differently and improving my health

right yeah so it's a it's a mindset you have to have the mindset Lord show me

what's the problem if I can find it and help me with your help to solve this

problem sure absolutely and so taking kind of a bigger view beyond the

individual just sort of like the world is getting increasingly toxic there's more and more things that are out there

so what kinds of in addition to heavy metals give us a quick rundown not to scare people but what are some of the

other things that are you know more and more prevalent in our environment that we need at least be aware

of well we when you think about just like you know you're talking about the air or the

soil the whole the whole agriculture industry they use a lot of chemicals

because they don't generally replenish the soil so soil's not healthy I like to

Garden I I'm we've got 5 acres here in North Idaho so I've learned to really build up my soil and I take the food

scraps that are in the bucket of the banana peels Etc and I go and I just dump them right in my Ray's bed and I I

I bury them in the ground when I'm not planting right there and then when I finally do plant I tell you those plants

just are doing they love that so you build up the soil uh with with uh you

know life and and nutrients but a lot of what's happening in agriculture they don't build up the soil and so in order

to keep the plants growing they use pesticides to kill the bugs because the

bugs are there because the soil's not healthy and the plants aren't healthy so it's a whole it's a whole cycle and so

we when we eat a lot of the food that we get in the market a lot of it is is very

toxic it's got a lot of chemicals you know somebody once said that if you were to close the door of Walmart for 50

years and come back 50 years later a lot of the food would still be good not in

the produce not in the produce department but a lot of the things are on the Shelf so I have a um those that

are listening can't see this but those who are watching can see I've got a tray here that I'm holding in my hand of of

arugula arugula micro greens I grow a lot of sprouts and micro Greens in the winter months this is going to go on my

salad when it gets a little bit bigger and I'm convinced that the more nutrition I can get in my body through

my garden from my Orchard from eating good healthy food my body is going to benefit from that I mean just a couple

days ago I actually yesterday I went jogging I'm 65 years old so I'm not a

you know not a spring chicken anymore but I run up in the mountains uh I like to swim when I travel and hold seminars

if I stay in a hotel with a pool I'll do laps and I feel good and I'm and I

believe that healthy decisions and getting a lot of nutrition and exercise and drinking water this is I I'm reaping

the consequence Paul said you we're we're going to reap what we s if we s to the flesh we're going to reap corruption

if we s to the spirit we're going to ultimately reap eternal life and you know consequences choices and so that's

what I teach in my book uh the simple things that people can do you know

there's another saying the whiter the bread the sooner you're dead eat healthier uh you know eat more

whole grain foods another another piffy saying is the shorter or the longer the

shelf life the shorter your life so there's all kinds of little sayings that just illustrate simple principles

unprocessed food is uh is much better than processed food so whether it's

agriculture whether it's chemicals in our homes I mean the list just goes on and on and on we're in a daily battle

with a toxic planet and we need to build up our bodies so that we can uh process and get rid of these things as much as

possible absolutely abolutely and um sort of what you're talking about as far as unprocessed food I get so many people

who will ask me questions about this this or that individ like you can find

studies or books or doctors or experts who will tell you literally every single

food out there is bad for you there's some people that say you need to be vegan there's other people that say that you need to be carnivore there's people

who are going who are all about being keto there's studies that say that broccoli is bad for you I it is it blows

my mind the number of things out there and in general the bottom line is God did not make anything that was bad if

God made it now there might be individual people who for a short period of time might have an issue where they have to avoid certain types of foods

while you fix the problem so that they can add those Foods back but you shouldn't have to live this crazy

restricted life where you have to to narrow how much you're consuming if God

made it it was good for you and you should be able to consume it and if it's highly processed then there's extra

chemicals in there that your your liver doesn't recognize and you're going to have to detox so the shorter the ingredient list and it should be things

you recognize that's right yeah the shorter the ingredient list the longer your life that's exactly right exactly

yeah so so I don't think we should make ourselves crazy over this issue obviously you know there's like I said

and and we both know there's things we can't avoid but certain basic principles

and eating more natural uh food in its unprocessed State

now I you know I I'll never say that I never eat any processed food at all but

you know but I just I I'm cons I try to be consistent in my choices I've developed a a principle in my mind that

bite by bite you know sip by sip little by little I am making uh choices that

are gonna affect me as time goes on right and should uh should the Lord

Terry and us we be here for you know longer in this world

and if I live another 20 years and I get into my 80s and my 90s you know I don't

want my to be a burden on my family and have them take care of me and there's people up here in North Idaho they're

out with their chainsaws and they're in their 90s oh that's awesome they can cut down trees people I know and so a lot of

it has to do with the life that we live and the choices that we make so we just

do it step by step one day at a time yeah and just a little segue there as far as said you know you you don't

always eat you don't occasionally you'll have processed foods and I think there's also something to be said for the

balance as well because people as you say can fall off the other side of the wagon and get so obsessive of trying to

do everything right and the fear becomes a toxin also so I think we you know do

what we can do and then bless rest and pray and say thank God for the food and if there's any toxic thing that you

consume if on accident or that you can't avoid it will not harm you because you're you're praying and blessing it um

but it doesn't need to be an extreme either way so so find yeah we don't want to yeah we don't want to be obsessive

and we don't want to be extremists right exactly and so the body God gave the body uh elimination organs so the skin

you know with the skin eliminates chemicals that's why if we don't take a shower for a week you know people are

going to know that so it's because the skin gets rid of toxins so does the hair

so does our breath we breathe out carbon dioxide that's why we go to the bathroom you know we we pee we poop it's because

the body is getting rid of chemicals and of course if you eat more more natural food uh meat has no fiber so and the

body needs fiber in order to move things along you know keep the plumbing humming

as they say yeah so you eat a lot when you eat plant Foods there's a part of the plant that's not digested which is

called the fiber and that gets into your digestive tract from one one end to the other and it helps move things along

like a broom and if you eat if you eat more natural food that has fiber you you

cut your risk of getting colon cancer significantly because if you don't move

things along things are going to back up and then you can you're more prone to

getting uh colon cancer so there's basic principles another simple principle I

tell people I I've I I watched a news clip a long time ago of a very old lady

I think she was in her hundreds and the reporter asked her what's your secret and this is what she said she said I

chew my food until it's a cream and then I swallow it that's the yeah that was

her secret so the simple Act of chewing your food more thoroughly does wonders

for your body because saliva is a miracle liquid it helps uh your and and

the more your teeth do the less your body has to do and so you chew it you you uh you digest it more easily it the

the digestive tract can absorb it more fully it then then the nutrients get

into your cells and so just the simple Act of not just wolfing down your food but chewing your food more carefully

that is a very simple thing that we can all do that will benefit our our health

right and along those lines so yes you're going to be pre- digesting with the the enzymes in your saliva and

chewing it more thoroughly that also sets up feedback system so the more you're chewing the more it's sending

signals to the rest of your digestive process to release the bile to release hydrochloric acid to release all those

the small intestine enzymes and stimulate something called your migrating Motor complex which will like

squeeze like a tube of toothpaste for all your intestine so that everything gets moved on out so it's like God sets

up all of these feedback systems in the body so that it works together in such beautiful Harmony absolutely that's

right that's right and one thing leads to another one one little consequence affects another consequence and it's all

part of God's plan and you know he's our he's our creator he's our maker and he

made us in His image to reflect his glory his character and to be healthy

and uh it's all part of his plan and now we're dealing with sin we're living in a world of sin and the the root of sin is

the devil and his arrogance his pride so I've done a lot of study on pride and humility and we need to overcome our

pride we need to learn to become more humble and we need to be willing to admit when we're wrong and also to make

changes in our lives that are going to be helpful to us and that's where the devil just uh you know he says no don't

don't admit you're wrong don't make any changes just be content with with who you are Go Your Own Way Do Your Own

Thing look good feel good move good and but you know on the other side God says

uh Peter I think it's Peter he said he that would love life and see good days

let him refrain his tongue from evil and his lips from speaking falsehood so the idea of loving life you know God is the

god of life and Jesus is the Prince of Life and so if God gave us life then we

can do things to cooperate with his power so that we can have a more Abundant Life and it's all part of his

plan yeah absolutely so uh what is your perspective on the whole make America

healthy again movement um and anything to to to throw out about that sure uh I

was thrilled when when uh RFK Jr was appointed to this

position it doesn't mean that every every policy or every belief he has I might necessarily agree with but I think

any step in that direction is a huge Improvement I watched I watched one

video where there were there was a democratic physician and a republican physician and they were talking about making America healthy again and and lo

and behold they agreed with each other wow that's awesome they both agreed because they all they they both realized

America needs help and rfk's H philosophy is we're not right now we're not in a in a covid crisis we're in a

chronic disease crisis and we need to start doing we need to start eating

healthier food get healthier food in the schools less chemicals there are certain

chemicals that are banned in Europe that that America has approved and so trying

to change that and I think any step in the direction of raising the

consciousness of the American people about uh focusing on less

Pharmaceuticals and more healthy principles and eating healthy food

that's got to be a step in the right direction so I'm in favor of the basic

uh plan to make America healthy again yes I I agree I'm very excited to see

how that plays out as well so what have I not asked you that you want to make sure you leave with our

audience well boy You' we've really covered we've covered just about everything um I'm drawing a blank I

think you've asked me about everything we've got it all right excellent yeah I think so you know um the important thing

is to impress people and and this is what you do this is what your listeners your viewers they're interested in

Christian Natural Health and so this is right up my alley it's right up your alley and just to impress

people with the fact that if we live a more natural life uh our bodies are

going to respond and we're going to do better you know we live in an age that's so

artificial everything is artificial chemicals uh you know social media

everything and we need to we need to get out in nature more we need to smell the flowers more we need to you know eat

some more plums and some cimons and some pigs or

whatever you particularly like you know and the water you know one good question would be um if you don't have you know

pure water then what do you do right and and and my My Philosophy is even if you

don't have pure water it's better to drink water than not drink water Amen to that yeah but I'm all in favor of now we

have a well that has very good water thankfully in Idaho we've tested the water and it's very good and there are

things we can can get to filter our water but even if you don't have that it's still better to drink water than

not do it so the point is start start where you're at right and then and then take little steps in the right direction

and the Lord the Lord will bless people who do that amen absolutely where can people go to learn more about you yeah

we're we're called White Horse media our ministry I'm in our office right now in one of one of our Studios we picked the

name White Horse because in the Book of Revelation Jesus returns on a white

horse in Chapter 19 Verse 11 so whors media.com it's our main website we have

a YouTube channel white Hors media we have a free online Bible School whors

mediab Bibles school.com we've got a lot of books in our store if people are interested in

sprouting they can check out sprouting withth steve.com is my website about

sprouting and the book End Times health War we have some supporters that have given money to a give a book giveaway

fund so we're willing to give this book away for the first 10 callers for free that say they heard me on with Dr Lauren

and I'd like a free copy of End Times health war and we'll put it in the mail so awesome and can you do that say that

H phone number for people and I'll put it in the show Notes too but sure yes it's uh 878 Bible uh which translates to 8782

4253 awesome okay well I will put all of that in the show notes and thank you Steve this has been very timely

appreciate it yeah I appreciate this too i' I've been interviewed by a number of people that are very healthc conscious

and I'm glad for for all these opportunities so thank you Dr Lauren so much and may God bless you your family

your listeners and your viewers thank you so much

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