The Spiritual Price of Political Silence - Christy Stutzman

welcome back to another episode of Christian Natural Health today I'm very pleased to have Mrs Christie stutzman

with us uh Christy stman is a small business owner a music composer and a former teacher and slate State

Legislature um she has written for multiple news organizations including the Washington Times the daily signal

and as a featured opinion writer for the Washington standby family research Council as the wife of a member of

Congress she traveled widely on diplomatic delegations and is has been a strong advocate for conservative Pro

family causes on Capitol Hill and in political campaigns for the past 20 years she's been a featured radio and

podcast guest and a featured speaker at political Christian and pro-life events across the country her new book the

spiritual price of political science connects the dots of political apathy and cultural decline of American values

Mrs stutsman resides in her Farm in how Indiana with her husband Marlin and their two sons Payton and Preston

welcome Christy thanks for joining us thanks for having me yeah so tell us a little bit about sort of the journey to

becoming a state legislator and also being you know in your husband's in

Congress like what's that like that lifestyle well it wasn't what we planned and that's what's so funny you know God

always has different plans than we do and as we follow him he kind of takes us out of our comfort zone and says well I

want to stretch you a little bit and we're going to try this so uh my husband

and I had just had wor child um in 2001 and three weeks later 911 happened and

we had our businesses I had been a teacher I had built a business online business um so that I could stay home

with my son instead of teaching and um so we were doing that and when 911

happened we decided that you know we hadn't been as connected or involved as

we probably should have been in our community we wanted to know who was in charge and we wanted to know uh if we

were in good hands and if we could help so we just started showing up to meetings we took our little baby and we

went to different meetings and we just sat in on you know a commissioner's meeting or you know the local GOP

meeting or just whatever we would just show up and when you show up sometimes

God opens doors and he says uh try this so we were approached about Marlin running for state representative seat at

the time he was uh 25 26 years old wow and so we didn't know anything we just I

mean I loved American history but we had never I never studied Civics we didn't study political science so you know we

were kind of out of our depth but uh Marlin was a small business owner and we

understood that world and I was a teacher i' been in education and Fine Arts and we understood that world and as

we kind of said okay we're going to try it um and maybe in the future you know we'll be able to serve somewhere we

didn't think we would win that first election c um so when we when we

tried we uh realized that the more hard work we did the more of a chance we had

of winning and so we just we were raised in you know middle-income families both

of our parents had served as Pastors in our churches um so we just knew hard

work and that's what we did we just worked it hard and you know I found that

some of the things that I had done for nonprofits transed into po itics whether it was doing mailers or uh organizing

dinners or you know all kinds of things that I didn't know would translate and so God prepares you with the tools that

you need for what he calls you to do and my husband won by 249 votes in that

first election yeah so it was close but not so close that we we didn't have a recount and uh he was the youngest

serving member of the House of Representatives for the first six years he was there and I took my son down to

the state house uh in a stroller and went around to committee meetings and sat in on the voting and just tried to

acclimate myself to this world that I probably should have known about but I just didn't sure and so I was I was

thrilled to see the process to understand how it worked but I was also a little frustrated because it was so

slow and it was so frustrating and I thought well this is this is a good

piece of legislation why isn't this easy to pass and my husband said well it's

because that's how the system was initially and on purpose laid out and he said the reason

it was laid out that way is that if we if it were easy to pass laws we would be

strapped with so many we couldn't see straight so he they made the process

just kind of tedious yeah very careful um everybody gets to weigh in everybody

gets to you know look at it and an amendment or vote against it uh this is

all part of the process of filtering it to make sure that it is actually good for everybody uh bringing all

perspectives to the table from right to left you know from every every

background and in in experience um that was the beauty of it and so as he served

there he eventually um had the chance to serve in Congress and so we went uh to

Washington scared to death in our farm truck and um didn't really

feel like we should be there but at the same time you know God had opened the doors so we stepped forward and uh it

was amazing it was an amazing experience and so that's kind of how we got into politics I've always kept my fingers in

music he's always kept his fingers in business um and we've raised our kids but uh and he he's out of Congress um he

served for six years and then ran for US Senate and lost and so he's been out for

eight years and I served as a state representative in that time period um really enjoyed it but then felt called

back to my small business during Co to make sure that it was staying afloat okay yeah and just decided to step down

but I have really um I've really had a passion for sharing with people as to

how easy it is to get involved and especially on the local and state ugly

see on the federal level anything involved there is a little less intimidating than than the other levels

mhm yeah absolutely what would you say and I'm sure you've had plenty of opportunities to uh to Christians who

feel like politics and religion should be separate yeah well that's an interesting

subject right now um especially when you have politics overreaching government overreaching into our lives you know

like into our children's lives into our schools I mean it's everywhere it's everywhere you look and so it's almost

hard to avoid right now um and so when you see how ugly it is and how divisive

it is it can be a turnoff especially as a Christian um we are meant to be peacemakers but when you look at the

Seal of the of of the United States of America you see an eagle and he's

holding in one Talon Olive branches which stands for peace and on the other

Talon he's holding the arrows which stands for war and his head turns toward

the olive branches so our choice is peace but if we have to defend ourselves

in order to create that peace we will um and I think right now as Christians that's where we're at we are at not just

a Crossroads or a turning point we're at a cliff yeah and the heat has been turned way up and all the sudden we're

saying whoa whoa how did we get here well the politics that we see all around

us if we're not at the table talking and sharing Salt and Light and being that

moral compass then that's the way it's going to happen I mean it's going to be ugly and so it's really important and

you know the founding fathers from the beginning they made two assumptions as

to why they thought people of Faith would always be involved the first assumption was out of self-preservation

self-defense um you know when you look at the Quakers and the Puritans and the pilgrims and all those who came here

seeking a religious Asylum before we were even a nation they came here

because they had been chased from their Homeland they weren't allowed to operate you know to to exercise their conscience

uh according to you know what they believe the Bible taught and so the founding fathers knew that they were

only about two generations removed from those first ancestors and so they were

saying all right so people of Faith were relying on you to be involved even if

it's just walking in a parade for a candidate in a local election just be involved be aware and be part of the

conversation in the public arena in the Civic sphere and so um they made that

assumption that we would do it out of self-preservation but also out of preserving it for the next Generation

right and I think right now the spiritual price we're paying is that we have been well I

wouldn't say overall but I would say there was a split in the church in the

church in America about the turn of the century where half the church really re um I guess accepted the progressive uh

Marxist type of mentality towards government where government was the answer to a lot of things that the church should have been yeah right and

so the other part the other half decided they would have nothing to do with politics and I think there's a happy

medium there's somewhere in the middle where we as Christians can be involved

and we can do it in love in kindness but with reason and with boldness um one of

my favorite HS growing up is arise oh Church of God and put your armor on um

and so many of us need to you know be ready to be bold in a in an atmosphere

where it just seems so ugly we can smile we can lead with kindness we can lead

with love but at the same time we can be confident you know in that we to all of

the the problems around us we have the answer yeah absolutely and for the people that are more vocal that are out

there I mean it seems like there's there's the people that are very politically active and then there's the people who kind of sit back and don't do

a whole lot what is it you feel like needs to happen in the church to make people rise up so that they can

recognize this possibly is something that God has called at least some people to what what is it is missing that

should be there yeah I think a better understanding of our founding and our

history and that's why I included in my book a little refresher course of our Christian founding um I would say from

Generation X on down right um there has been a lot missing out of our history

books that used to be there really um stories of God's Providence were in our

history books stories of miraculous things that

happened um in our founding were regularly taught in in schools they were

included in curriculum and so right around the turn of the century um

America was targeted by uh cultural marxists who came over from a school um

it's a go well it was called the the um let me think here it was called the um

man it was a it was a university it was that's what it was it was the critical theory school okay yeah and that was in

Germany and they really decided that they were going to reject uh God like ac

across the board there was no God so they were basically humanists atheists and they were acade academics

so they really wanted to prove man's ability to evolve on his own past the

limitations of man's physical Li you know physical appearance right so they

wanted to evolve in something else what's iron about this is that back then they

were thinking that mechanical things and inventions and things like this we're

going to help man evolve um so when you decide that there is no God and you decide that you are

your own God basically and you're going to decide for yourself what is right and what is wrong and also how far you can

go it be it creates this mentality that there is an elite so there's an involved

Elite that makes sense right mentality so when you're part of that Elite you

know better than the rest of the people what's good for them and what's good for Humanity right and so they came to

America and what they had tried several times in several different civilizations to to implement this mentality and it

had failed and so I I read a um there was a letter from Antonio gry was one of

these guys and uh he was in a jail cell in Italy and he was writing to his

friends his academics and he said uh you know the next time we try this we need to focus on the children uh because the

earlier we get them the the faster we'll get that Civilization so they came here and they

targeted our universities and our colleges and they started writing curriculum and they started getting into

the media and they they really infiltrated to the point where after they came here and they they basically

replicated themselves in Academia yeah um they ended up in the

1960s with the sexual Revolution I mean we had a complete you know

turning away from God you know I am my own person and you know all all these

mentalities came to fruition and so right around that time uh they started

removing these spiritual things from our histories so we have younger have been

raised without of some of the things that were actually part of our history uh for a long time um and when I look at

it it's almost like a com well it's actually a competition between good and

evil so you have you have there's two religions you're choosing so it's either secularism humanism atheism yeah yeah or

you know faith faith in God right so my book is to people of Faith to remind us

that first of all we were founded on judeo-christian principles um we were

founded on freedom of religion freedom of expression freedom of speech freedom of thought uh this was unique in the

history of the world and so our responsibility regardless of our level of of you know involvement in politics

our responsibility is to be armed with truth and is to educate ourselves on who

is running so that we vet them and we we know for

sure it's easy to do on level Federal level's a little harder because they got their talking points and then it's you know it's they practice them and they

pull them and everything but when you're talking to someone who was running for school board or county commissioner or

town counsil you can actually go meet them yeah right you can see them face to face you can go to the town council

meeting and see them afterwards or the Schoolboard meeting so these are people that are actually reachable and so what

I'm making the case for is we might be at a a cliff and we might be stepping

stones just like you know our the the pilgrims saw themselves as stepping stones that's not a fun thing to think

about right but we have to start somewhere so let's start at the local level because that's

the front lines right now so if we go and we meet these people and we say hey can I talk to you what what's your

worldview you know what do you base your decisions on where do you stand on this issue you vet them at that level when

they run for State Rep State sen guess what your name's going to be

in their cell phone sure and when you call them and you say hey I'm watching this vote that I'm really concerned

about with Healthcare you know so I'm really worried about this what you actually are speaking for probably a

couple thousand people to that state representative yeah so youve had that personal relationship with someone who

has run for office has run for the next office and you are still you still have

access to them so I think that's one way that everybody can get involved just take time out to go to the Schoolboard

meeting every once in a while look at their websites look at their Facebook page go to a Town Council you know just

kind of find out who they are and and that to me is like I I like to think of

things in bite-size amounts you know like what can I actually handle and and that's something that everybody can do

uh but it would make a huge difference um if people started showing up to these meetings yeah that's fascinating so it's

kind of like what you described of the cultural Marxist where they were playing the long game where they were trying to indoctrinate the kids and were willing

to wait until all of those things took effect it's I think a lot of us I know I

do uh there's this this idea of but that's such a small thing is it really making a difference and I think that

that we have those those thoughts of this isn't really gonna have an impact but it's also playing the long game

there's a patience that's involved in seeing as that person rises in the ranks

of politics now you actually have created those relationships where you

can actually influence somebody who's in a position to make a difference is that more or less what you're saying oh definitely you know know and when you

have that ability to reach out to someone who's holding elected office yeah um you can actually and we've heard

this word and it's kind of dirty but you can Lobby them and actually right it's

your right to Lobby them you know because you're paying the bills you're you're paying them to represent you

right and so you're the you walk you have every them in fact you should have

the most clout to Lobby them you should have the most say with them because you know if they don't if they don't end up

you know come coming your way on an issue no big deal but if they end up being a consistent

uh just difference with you like you just consistently cannot agree with their decisions you have the ability to

go to other uh voters friends and family and say hey I've been watching this guy

I've been watching this gal they're not lining up you know maybe we should talk about um running someone else and and

and supporting someone else that's conversations that we need to have and you know a lot of times Well my

grandmother was was this this mentality and I'm sure a lot of our grandparents were maybe our parents that said you

know no religion or politics at the table well when we see our kids being

inundated right with literally politics but also an opposite religion in our um

I think if we don't take every opportunity to talk about politics and religion with them somebody else is

going to and they already have you know so I think we've got to just kind of first of all arm ourselves with you know

what we believe and why and then start talking to our kids about it and allow them to debate us I mean they will push

back that's what kids do you know so if we're ready to talk about it um and

we're armed with that and we open up the conversation it really can guide their thinking and help them to make those

decisions for the future but yeah I mean you can be very effective as a voter just just your average you know

hardworking American voter you can be very effective in fact I'll tell you a

little story so when my husband was first elected in to a State Rep seat we

had a he was a a year and a half old little boy and um I had a mom call me

one day and she said have you heard about this bill they're coming up with it's like booster seats and it's

ridiculous they're going to have our kids in booster seats till they're 12 years old and I said really what so sent

me the information she was right the potential was there uh especially for

smaller built kids they were going to make them be in booster seats and she's like what are they gonna do they gonna stop me by the side of the road and

weigh my child and measure them are they have and everything she was I right and

I said well what I mean sure let's have my husband look at it and she said well we're going to Rally well she called all

of her friends and I'm telling you I have never seen legislators more intimidated in my life these mom these

moms showed up with hu I mean hauling huge booster seats and diaper bags and

strollers and kids and there was probably like a hundred of them and they had a microphone and they weren't mad

they were just like very bold we don't want this bill to be passed we love our kids but this is ridiculous you know

right and what found out was there were fed there was Federal money being waved in front of the legislator saying if you

pass this we'll get and you implement this program we give you this money if you pass it well it was just more

Federal overreach and so they really they came prepared and they lobbied the legislators that day with their kids and

strollers and diaper bags and booster seats and they had cookies they were given out to all the legislators I've

never seen so many legislators look over the balcony and go what is going on down there and it was it was moms who weren't

paid to be there they weren't lobbyists they didn't have time to do this they were busy yeah that held a lot of way

with those legislators because all of a sudden they were looking at people they

weren't used to seeing that had taken out of their busy schedules who were very concerned who had done their

homework who knew what they were talking about and uh they were there to Lobby their legislators it was an amazing

amazing thing to watch yeah that is amazing and did those moms find out the results of their efforts like were they

able to look back and be like oh that worked can you tell or did you do you know

yeah yeah in fact that same group decided they were going to be more active in the future and now they've created a group uh down in Indianapolis

and I'm trying to remember the name of it but it's got a they've got a group and they brought in these all these speakers to come in and speak to their

kids who are now teenagers and in college they're bringing these speakers in to speak to their kids because they

want them to hear people who are influencing the culture um so they're still active yeah that's awesome cool so

uh I think part of the reason going back to what you said about the old like no politics or religion at the table kind of a thing I think the reason why most

people typically think that is because it usually gets angry and heated kinds of things so how do we as Believers

engage in these conversations and also love the person like how how do we

balance that yeah I think you know it

just goes back to scripture where you're you just first of all you have to know you know what you believe and why right

uh but one thing that I found is very effective is asking pointed questions with people not really arguing as much

as just saying well what have you thought about it this way or to say well what do you think about this where did

you get your information you know and uh how did you come to that conclusion just really asking pointed questions like

that um I was in a Caucus meeting one time and all these guys had pretty much

decided before they went in there that they were going to do something that I felt was not right and they were trying

to sell us on this idea and the guy that was trying to sell us on it was really showing some hypocrisy in the situation

so I stood up and I said you know it doesn't really add up for me but could you help me understand how can you do

this but also do this right that's all I said yeah well there was explaining and

everything I just sat down I just talk yeah but it's it's how you approach it

my dad used to he was raised on a farm where they had to feed a lot of chickens and his dad taught him he said you know

the same feed that gathers the chickens can scatter them if you throw it wrong

very good point yeah all in how you present it right so most Christians you know get very almost self-righteous in

these discussions you know and they look at the party as the answer or Canada as the answer you've got to keep in mind

God is the ultimate answer he is the answer you know he's the truth so keep the the truth in mind but then also you

can have a civil dialogue right with with family with friends with love with

a smile on your face but you can still be bold about truth now when they start attacking the truth I think that's where

we can be a little more aggressive and say whoa wait wait a minute wait a minute where do you find that answer

that's you know here's the truth then be prepared with it but I think a lot of times um and I'm guilty of this myself

we get lazy with you know not doing our research and then we get in a conversation where we're not really quite prepared you know and then we're

backpedaling and we're trying to figure out oh how did I do this you know um so it's it's easy to do that so I would say

before you open up conversations with people do your research know what you're talking about um but then don't be so

eager to present it that you're not willing to listen uh to what they have to say as well um listening is is a key

to winning people uh to the side of truth right yeah it's just that kind of

essentially putting yourself in a position of humility as you're so that it's not all about you being right even

like obviously you're going to think you're right if you're going into a conversation like that but at the same time it's not about you making your

point making sure the other person feel like the normal human interaction make them feel like they're valued as a

person so that they're then willing to listen back to you more or less yes yeah

right absolutely very cool yeah and you know with our kids we're when we do that

we are doing them we're teaching them how to have a civil dialogue I mean with all

keyboard Warriors we have today they don't they don't really have a good example of how to do that so we can

example that to our kids as well yeah absolutely yeah there's so much of the

interaction online if you hide behind a keyboard it's so much easier to be nasty terrible and people don't in

person seem to want to engage in political conversations anymore because there's this fear that you're going to

offend um but that we've lost the art of that so right absolutely um going back

to something you said at the beginning you were talking about how our history books used to have all of these miraculous stories can you tell us one

or two of them that have been lost yes I mean oh man there's so many

but um I think some of my favorites uh were where God just intervened with

weather um there were sever different battles where God just kind of I mean they didn't know what was going to

happen and all of the sudden this fog descended and you know the other side couldn't see them and they were able to

escape I mean there's several instances where that happened or really bad storms

that kept the British boats and their and their ships from coming you know in and landing and so they had to go

further up the coast which gave this city time to repair uh there's so many stories like that during the revolution

um but you know there's also miraculous stories like the pilgrim fathers uh when

they went from England to Holland um and then they decided Well even there their

ship got stuck in the mud you know and their women and children were taken into

custody and the were separated from the women and they were all going to be sent

to prison and somehow miraculously the judge decided no let the women and children go meet the men in Holland not

at all what he was suppos to you know and they were just looking at each other like how did that happen we were caught

we were supposed to go to jail um but on their way over from you know they had they stopped in England um they had two

ships the speed well and the Mayflower and when they got to to uh oh probably

less than a day's you know Journey outside of England speed well started taking on water and they didn't know

what was wrong with them well the speed well was the boat that they had bought the the Mayflower was the one they kind

of rented and so they went back they went back into the port and they had to

look at it and they put it into the dry dock and they're trying to fix it I mean this is delaying their their their trip

by months right so they're waiting and waiting and finally they decide the speed well is just not

seaworthy right can't take it the ship that you bought you can't take so now

what are they going to do well they split their group into half and they they half of them get on the Mayflower and half them stay there and say goodbye

one of them was Bradford and his wife they left uh their son actually in Holland and again they were leaving

their Pastor um I'm trying to remember his name but so they they left very dear

people there and then half of them got on the Mayflower so they took off right and so halfway over of course because of

the month's delay they they run into a a very bad storm called a Westerly uhuh

and the main beam of the ship gets cracked and just for some reason William

Brewster had brought this huge giant iron screw it was supposed to be for a

printing press and he probably brought it because he didn't think he could replicate it in the new world they

didn't have do that so they took this iron

screw and they put it underneath the beam and they screwed it into place saved the ship yeah came here with that

in place right so then because they rented the ship they're there in the middle of winter no shelter nothing in

Massachusetts and they finally decide on you know we're gonna go look for a land

so they start looking for land and they looking for the natives there to to make a deal and and buy land from them or

something and it took probably a month and the the ship's Captain decided he

was going to stay there and give them shelter until they had built shelter again Miracle this guy wasn't a pilgrim

he wasn't one of them you know and he he was supposed to be back what months before and he decided to stay there give

them shelter allow them to survive um another amazing story is when Squanto

just walks into their Village right just walks Village and he's speaking

English he's speaking English he helps him survive the first winter how did he learn English well he would he was

enslaved by English slave uh merchants and took him over to England and then he was in um he was taken around almost

like this you know this great attraction you know and he learned English while he was there and then somehow he came back

and his village was gone they had been decimated by by disease yeah and so he

had you know kind of acclimated to another place but he walked in speaking English help save them and that for I

mean there's just so many stories like that there was a pastor who was fighting a battle and uh he was leading his men

it was a regiment in the in the revolution this is up in New Jersey and they've got a monument to them and stuff

but um he they didn't have any wding for their guns no W they had bullets but

none of the paper to put in it right so he goes over to his church grabs the

himels takes them out starts ripping out the himels and he said and he handed them to the men and he said give them

Watts boys because it was Isaac Watts Himel and they started stuffing hims you know into their and they won this hu it

was a it was a little tiny town and it was a huge victory for the Americans and it was all because people just came

together and helped each other and used what they could you know to defend themselves uh at risk of their own

families and and friends and everything else so you know when you think about uh risking like taking a risk and saying

you know I could offend somebody well you know when you look at Christ you look at the disciples you look at the

apostles how many times did he end the religious people not to mention the

governmental people right uh so many times so I think we have to realize that you know it's it's kind of par for the

course you know as being a Christian is that you say it as lovingly as you can

right but the truth is going to offend people who do not want to hear it and so

even even if you say it kindly there will be those who don't receive it yeah well I love the fact that there's all of

these stories that we can bring back to the Forefront and I'm wondering if was a coincidence or at least it was part of a

progression removing that from the history text and also removing prayer from the schools seems like this is like

and also you know the doctrine of evolution that has become more and more ingrained all of this seems like a

concerted effort to make people think that God is irrelevant which then leads people to believe in things like

cultural Marxism that will then make it seem as if Christianity is completely

irrelevant but when you look back at the stories of how much God intervenes and how powerful prayer actually is and has

been and can still be it's one of those things to stir up at least those people who are already people of Faith to say

no we really can make a difference absolutely oh yeah oh yeah yeah so um

what role I mean that was a progression from a you know educational standpoint

how about the media to what degree does mainstream media versus alternative media streams play a role now in terms

of shaping the cultural dialogue I think the mainstream media still has a strong effect has has the broadest reach yeah

um but I I'm so thankful for alternative media that we have right um I think it's

a new way of of spreading truth and really getting the information that we need in my book I provide um reliable

resources and it's just like three pages worth of links and even like little blurbs about what they're good at and

what their proficiency is and and what to go to go through for them and it's

really uh important because I think a lot of times we don't know where to go

to get good information true yeah we don't know who to trust and it's it's scary you know and we don't want to be

some conspiracy theorists you know believing everything comes down the pike sure uh but at the same time there seems

to be a lot of talking points that don't line up with what we're seeing in front

of us right so that kind of makes you doubt you know well okay I don't know I'm going to be not going to be too

ready to believe that right now until I find out more details and um I think we

just have to be diligent to do our research know who to trust um and there

are great groups out there so many great groups who are providing good information they're just kind of

overshadowed by the mainstream media yeah um so yeah we just have to be

diligent and do our own research and and I would encourage people you know uh

online is great it's great yeah um but just make sure that even your online

resources are are are referenced you have a reference to where they get their

information um because a lot of times it can sound so good and so believable

right and uh it's just it's not based in in actual you know fact and hasn't been

documented yeah and especially these days the possibilities of disinformation all across the board like we're it

really is incumbent upon us to do our our due diligence for sure yeah so if

people don't like if Christians did not rise up and start actually taking back

you know reemphasizing what the spiritual principles are into our political

Arena where do we see this going like what what's at stake here well like I

said I mean when you're hanging over a cliff and people are hanging onto your legs trying not to fall yeah um

sometimes you you have to see yourself as saying okay climb over me you know just go ahead you know I'm I'm going to

be a stepping stone um I think that's where we're at right now um I think I've

been encouraged by as I'm doing interviews about my book Across the Nation I'm hearing people tell me you

know we're having a Revival at our little College down the road or I think there's a spiritual renewal going on at

our high school you know or there it's just all over the place and I'm starting to see pockets of the spiritual renewal

honestly I think it's based in the fact that this generation has been the most bere generation of truth and you know

God's light that it has been it's been withheld from them in many different ways and they've been inundated with

other things right and so when you when you've been starved for something and you finally have a taste of it yeah it's

like you can't get enough right they're they're running toward it when they find it yeah and I we're seeing that and

that's what's encouraging to my heart right now is that we are seeing this um

this thirst you know for what is truth you know what is my purpose you know

what is my cause on this Earth what should I be doing and uh when they find that they get on fire for God and it's

it's amazing to watch yeah um in different you know little pockets around

the country so I'm praying that that continues um but I think what's at stake right now is two things first of all you

know I went on a diplomatic Mission with my husband when he was in Congress and we went to the Eastern block countries that used to be part of the USSR uh we

went to Israel um and we heard the same thing everywhere we went and that was

first of all thank you I just as an American leader I want to thank you as a citizen of name the country right yeah I

want to thank you for being a good influence and light to the world you

have done so much good yeah thank you for your your your missions thank you for your educational outreaches and your

health care Prov provisions and your disaster relief and Ju Just so many things that we have done around the

world thank you so much but please don't stop yeah if you stop

I I don't know who's going to take take your place I don't know who's going to do what you have done so it was

encouraging but it's discouraging at the same time encouraging to realize that the vision of the founders the vision of

the people that came here seeking religious Asylum their hope that someday we would go throughout the world and be

Salt and Light actually happened so that's good right but the sad part is

that they're watching the foundations crumble and they're wondering how long is it going to last that's now yeah

that's what's at risk our children you know uh that's that's what's at risk I I

see our children hungering for truth but also so many of them lost they they

don't even know where to go and they're being inundated with this you know this culture that is uh humanistic atheistic

um and Marxist really so when you see that you see these uh uprisings right so

we've had some demonstrations on college campuses and we've had you know cities

that are being you know ransacked and and pillaged or whatever I really see that as a result of an anarchy of the

mind if you don't understand the order of Nature and how God designed

everything everything if you don't accept that and you're raging against any type of authority that represents

God you will rage against police you'll raise against you know your professors

your parents anything that smacks of authority because you're trying to fight for your own authority but that creates

an anarchy in your mind who's in charge right yeah no that no one's in charge uh

and you don't know where to go and there's this there's this disconnect um as for you as a human to know where

where you belong and what you should be doing and what's your what's your purpose is so we're losing our kids and

we're also losing our influence around the world so that's what's at stake so when we look at it that way from a

Biblical perspective right man taking a few hits because we up for something politically is

nothing compared to what we could lose you know potentially yeah that's a really good way to look at it that this

is not it doesn't have to be and it shouldn't be a selfish Pursuit this is our Legacy to the world and our Legacy

for the future generation that we're actually doing this for but while also keeping in mind loving the person that's

in front of you as much as possible and doing our part right what have I not asked you that you want to make sure

that you leave with our audience oh well you know I a little

story so I'll share that with you um it's never wrong to stand up for right

um and my grandmother she's my seven times great-grandmother I was doing some ancest research and she was this little

Quaker lady who just loved on people you know she just went around and took care of the sick and the poor and the needy

um have some letters from her just really really dear lady um but she had

served on the the national regist because she helped Anthony Wayne during the winter of Valley Forge and she

ministered to his his soldiers um his regiment and he was his her first cousin

and so she there's so many really neat stories but this little Quaker lady you know lived on a farm and and just loved

God and tried to help people on her deathbed her husband reported that her last words she looked up at her at her

family and she said be Valiant for truth and if I could leave you with that

I would I would just encourage you there's nothing else to be more to be Valiant for but truth and the word

Valiant that's a war term coming from a Quaker lady yeah so you know to me it

was like wow okay she really felt passionate about this Valiant means you you are courageous you're bold you're

confident you know you're going to fight for a cause and I thought what other

thing should we fight for than truth and realize that there's not just my truth

or your truth or his God's truth and that's what we should always stand up for is to be Valiant for truth

absolutely so where can people go to learn more about you and to get a copy of your book yeah I have a website um

it's called books by christie. org and CHR St and um you can also find it on

Amazon christianbooks.com um anywhere online there's going to be an Audi book I'm recording that in July so hopefully

that's going to be available probably um in the in the fall so um if you listen to audiobooks that'll hopefully be

available soon but just um you know I I just encourage people to uh take a look at it it's an easy

read I kept the chapters really short several of my friends have told me they're like just keep the chapter short because if you that I feel accomplished

when I read a chapter and I was like okay check Bo so the chapters are short

it's bre broken up into you know sections or whatever but it really is just like a practical hand guide for

anybody and it's non- denominational it's it's nonpartisan I even included

excerpts from the Republican platform the Democrat platform links to the libertarian and the green party so that

everybody can look at it and say okay where do I line up there's not one perfect party not one party is the answer but where do I line up and

where's the closest thing to what I believe and that way you can see for yourself yeah absolutely love it thank

you Christie this has been really a great conversation really appreciate it thank you so much thanks for having me

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