Integrative Orthopedics - Dr John Tait

welcome back to another episode of Christian Natural Health today I am excited to have Dr John Tate with us Dr

Tate is the founder of origin Orthopedics and Optimal Health a medical practice that applies the principles of

functional and regenerative medicine with the goal of helping patients lengthen the lifespan of their joints while simultaneously improving their

Total Health and quality of life origen is the only orthopedic clinic in the region exclusively focused on

non-surgical Solutions Dr Tate has authored three books and has created two courses on his integrative regenerative

approach to Orthopedic care and Optimal Health he gives more than a dozen talks per year on his unique approach to

optimizing one's human potential welcome Dr Tate thanks so much for joining us oh yeah thanks for having me sure so all

right you have this interesting story that changed your perspective from Pain Management to actually trying to do

regenerative medicine so tell us about that how'd that happen yeah well I'll condense this to the the

shorter version so as I approach my first year in medical school I I was an avid hockey player oh and I did a lot of

heavy uh Landscaping work that my patient or patients my parents told me was good for me and uh lo and behold I

herniated a disc in my back just before I was to enter medical school oh wow and

so I kind of suffered through the typical treatments and wasn't getting better and my spring break and my first

year I had surgery on my back um yikes did great a couple years later

reinjured the same disc went through the same regular roll second surgery right

okay so fast forward now to 2012. um I was set out to do I love hiking I

love being in the mountains and we set up to do a uh charity hype raising money for children's cancer research uh and so

we beg borrowed and uh didn't steal any money from our friends to raise a bunch of money we had about 30 30 of us out on

this hike down in Patagonia area here near Tucson and I woke up that morning and had numbness and tingling in my leg

I got as I kind of knew from before and being the stubborn athlete I was I

decided I'm just going to do this hike anyways now this hike was 26 miles it was a Marathon distance hike and um to

make it even better story we missed our last turn so we we ended up adding four miles to the end of the hike to get

picked up and brought back into town so what I did and what I learned being a

stubborn athlete um really pivoted my my entire practice and career at that point

because I was being told I needed another surgery potentially and I knew enough at this point I'd gone

through all my training 15 years of school and training and fellowships and everything else yeah and I landed back

in my practice and I was talking to my partner who has given me the meds and given me the cortisone shots and giving

me these things and given me the the grim look of where this goes yeah and

and I said you know I I don't know if it has to go there and I know I got time and I know more now so then I started

just seeking kind of a different path which led me into functional and regenerative medicine and yeah and all

this stuff now that I apply in my practice is it is it's basically a self-serving practice for me it's it's

all the things I learned to get myself out of that really sticky situation and knock on wood I just had my uh 11 year

anniversary of that injury this week congrats I mean we're all better yeah

and still uh still haven't needed that surgery people told me I was gonna need fantastic yep that's really inspiring

hearing so okay so then now you've created this practice to help other people with all the things that you've

learned so can you give us like you kind of gave us a rough idea but what's regenerative medicine what's integrative

Orthopedics give us definitions and stuff yeah so regenerative medicine is is simply the process of rebalancing the

body's innate ability to repair itself you know we are we are gifted this

amazing system of systems our body and and its default mechanism is actually to

repair cell by cell Brick by Brick inside our body that is the default

setting now most of us that are fortunate to live into our middle or later years think the default setting

shifts to degeneration and how we feel yeah however the default is regeneration a

million cells a second as we're talking right now yeah die off okay but a million cells are then

replaced more or less and if that balance starts to shift a little bit over time and we can't really repair as

many cells effectively as we're losing then what happens is we age and we age

all of our tissues in our body at a different rate regenerative medicine is simply applying

a method to help your body rebalance that teeter-totter right so let's take

your joints for instance because a lot of people think that cartilage in your joint the cap on the end of our bones is like

rubber on a tire so people are told oh it's wear and tear arthritis

but your musculoskeletal system turns over every cell that comprises that

cartilage tissue every five to seven years oh wow but if we're aging and the

balance is already tipped this way and we're putting a lot of demand like some of my you know older active athletes in

my practice like to do with probably training more than professional athletes then this balance shifts even more so

what we're doing with regenerative medicine is leveraging the physiology of your body to help rebalance it push it

back the other way so that you can continue to age out more level instead of feeling like you're aging down the

slope yeah that's awesome so give it some of the nitty-gritty what are some of the specific uh like approaches that

you use I know a couple of them but you you tell me you guide that conversation and then I'll ask more questions as we

go yeah well very much as you think with patience it's like what are the core

principles the core physiology in the body that needs to be rebalanced so that the body is in in this chaotic state but

it's in a healing state right it's in this reparative state so you do this very well in your practice with all your page since we walk people into this if

that's kind of not like natural to them to know like hey uh I tell people that the the least

expensive regenerative medicine tool I can give you and everybody listening today is the gift of sleep right so good

call yeah so if you give it good regenerative restorative sleep every night that's when your body goes to work

I tell people it's like the crews that have been working years it seems like out in front of my office repairing the

roads here but there's more crews active at night because there's less traffic

there's less chaos and they can put more attention on what needs to be repaired your body's the same way so you know if

we get if we get your sleep right and we get the right kind of stress in your life not too much of the wrong stress in

your life right when I mean stress it's like moving your body stressing these tissues giving them the nuds they need

in the signals to get stronger in repair and we get your physiology right with the right nutrition right then we can

move into some really cutting edge type of treatments where we can apply this

whole principle really by taking cells from you out of your own body okay so I

can take them out of your bloodstream I can take them out of your fat tissue I can take them out of your bone marrow

these are three Banks of cells that we can withdraw from right literally and

then deposit them back into your body where maybe that cartilage is failing maybe it is going down that hill and we

can slow that process down gotcha okay so it sounds like you're referring to PRP the platelet-rich plasma right for

the blood component and then also stem cell therapy sounds like you're talking about can you tease those apart for us

tell us what they are what yeah so if we go back to like the evolution of regenerative medicine right

like back in the 1950s a couple of smart docs figured out that you could actually take dextrose which is sugar okay and

you could combine it with lidocaine which is an anesthetic and you could go into an injured tissue needle it and

inject this solution around that now we know what sugar does in our body when

we consume too much of it what happens well all kinds of stuff your body goes downhill for sure but we create this

inflammatory kind of response now if we pull apply this really precisely so say

you have an injured elbow tendon attaching to your elbow the infamous tennis elbow

and we apply that right to that Target with a precise dose of this and we stimulate right where that tissue needs

to heal we incite inflammation and that's the first step your body actually needs to heal and most people don't know

this right they think inflammation is bad they've been programmed through commercials and advertisements and

magazines that you just take the Aleve take a couple and keep going right inflammation is bad but inflammation is

necessary and good in the early stage because it steps your body to the next step where it can now attract the right

cells in the right nutrition in and it can start this reparative process that starts to

walk up the steps right towards strengthening the tissue remodeling that tissue making it more resilient and and

now we have to give it the time and the space to actually heal that's what a lot

of my really active people don't want to do so they don't they don't really back out of the activity they want to just keep going but that tissue needs time

and space to heal so that was what they discovered in the 1950s wow that old yes

so they were using that treatment for a long long time and then in the 1990s

what uh other Physicians and and really Dentistry they were using

an oral maxillofacial surgery people had you know bad issues inside the mouth

they had big ulcers and things that were really hard to heal they started applying what we call PRP which stands

for platelet-rich plasma so now if we were to extract one's blood we get three

types of cells suspended in plasma which is the liquid part of the blood we get red cells we get white cells and we get

platelets now platelets are just stock full of growth factors and we've all seen this in action if we've cut our

hand it bleeds if it's not too deep it stops and then the body starts to Signal

those same steps to track cells in repair the tissue and over time you

can't even see where you cut yourself so now then they borrowed that concept

and applied it to Orthopedics and said hey what if we just kind of Ratchet up the intensity here of Prolotherapy and

we use actually completely therapy right again inject it right into the site but

now we're using live growth factors from you as opposed to trying to recruit your own which is that's right well I see

okay yeah so Prolo is a it's kind of like shooting up a flare gun and asking

your body to come to the area right platelet therapy is like we're just going to deliver the whole search and

rescue crew right to the site

yeah and so and then as things evolve platelet therapy went through all these iterations and now we talk about you

know the different concentrations of these platelets and do we want it you know with a few white cells Left Behind

or no white cells so we can we have a machine that's very uh well it's it has

a lot of uh computer assisting technology there to actually formulate these these cocktails of cells that we

really want because in the old day we would just spin it in a centrifuge and we try to like pipette off the cells

wow okay yeah and now what we're doing it goes into a to a system I use an FDA

approved device for this that separates these cells and can concentrate them at the concentrations I want for the type

of tissue I'm treating okay wow so we so we made my higher concentrations of

platelets we may want actually a few white cells in there sometimes sometimes not right um and so now just the Precision of all

this has advanced quite a bit from my training you know when we were doing this 11 years ago to now what we're

doing um it's it's pretty remarkable so then if we finish the evolution then it went to stem cells right so stem cells now

are the most powerful cell in your body they are literally the source code that brought you into existence right and

then we have these Banks of cells that were left in our body in our bone marrow in

our fat tissue some of them dormant in our bloodstream that are circulating right now through us and they're waiting

for their opportunity to step up when they need to to help repair your body so stem cells literally go out and seek out

injured tissue and heal it by releasing very powerful growth factors and stimulating your body's own ability to

repair you know that reparative process that we were talking about that does does the thing naturally

the thing that is pushing that to happen in large part are stem cells so now we

can extract those from you and we can apply those okay okay yeah

and so when would you choose one over the other it sounds like the stem cells are the best and the Prolo is the least

accurate is that am I understanding that correctly yeah so yeah we can think about it that way in magnitudes of power

uh so I I tell people I go to this car wash up the road from my office sometimes you know and they got the the

best the better and the good wash right sure so and I think about it like we

have those three Banks of cells if we're thinking about in in one's body rollotherapy is kind of a weak tool that

we still use and I do apply at my practice for certain things right and it attracts those cells but now if we go

to we got three Banks of cells we can decide which ones we use if we stack three Banks of cells we're probably

going to get a more powerful response than two or one okay okay and then we go to the tissue type we're treating so in

my example before if I'm treating a tendon or a ligament injury that somebody has a you know a chronic

Achilles tendon injury or this tennis elbow situation or a Yonder attach their

kneecap a teller 10 initiative or maybe a partial rotator cuff tear in their

shoulder okay these are tendon what we call soft tissues a lot of times platelets can do a very good job healing

those things with one caveat they can't be completely torn something to work with yeah yeah

you got to have some structure some scaffolding there for these these cells to go in and do their thing and help

strengthen that that injured tissue gotcha stem cells we often think about now using if it's a hard tissue or

harder problem to solve that would be like the cartilage on the end of your bones maybe a meniscus tissue in your

knee maybe a labral tissue in your hip these are more challenging tissues to heal because of their blood supply and

other factors so it's often where we need to incorporate some type of stem cell with that and we stack those in the

platelets together I see okay and I'm assuming that there's a price differential most likely as well right

yeah as you as you climb that ladder of treatment just like the car wash you know the price does go up yes yeah makes

sense makes sense so um why would stem cell treatments not work for everyone is it mostly because if the tissue doesn't

have anything to build upon essentially is that the main reason sure so you know I look at three factors one the severity

of the injury okay so you know a lot of people you know I just had uh you know somebody

um jump in and push a form through to me about asking about a rotator cuff tear so they got on my website said hey can

you help me with this I saw two docs they said I need surgery I had surgery a while ago I re-tored this thing they

repaired so it's going to come down to again simply is it torn like this completely right did they partially pair

this Tenon where there's still fibers there that we can work with sure or like a lot of people

um as they age these tissues it's almost like a fraying of a you think about a new cord rope and then an old used freed

out rope those are better scenarios either The Frayed rope or the partial tear versus a

complete tear you know two two people to heal in there right so the severity of

the injury matters right the age of the patient matters because the viability and strength of our cells is dictated a

lot by our age but it's not just the chronological age it's what's your

biological age sure yeah so you probably work on this with your patients and say hey you you may be 55 but biologically

now we can test people and we can see that you may only be 45 35 yeah are you

doing telomere testing is that how you're figuring that out right so some of these tests like true or you know Elysium is looking at this

company that's got a new test that looks at at these biological scores of different systems in the body yeah so

you know we can be chronologically 46 like I am uh but I usually tell people

66 you know and then they're like wow I'll give you a lot more advertising they're like you look good for 66 but

but your biological age and how these cells still have the energy to do their thing can be way younger than you right

so I don't subscribe to the ageism of like well we get old and we can't repair now it's true that those systems aren't

as vigorous as they used to be sure when I look at how my four and a half year old son heals a cut or bruise compared

to me there's no question he feels that thing faster yeah um but we can still use those cells they

are still quite viable all the way out to a pretty old age but the real factor

I see in in these having success or not is the stuff that you do so well in your practice it's building the foundational

health so there's not this like raging chaos in the body yeah exactly because it I tell

people if that's what's going on we need to get them to somebody like you so that

we can recalibrate and rebalance all these systems you know from your nutritional system to digestion to your

immune system to hormones whatever it is we want that system like really nice you know in a nice balanced state

in a healing state where now it's prepared to receive that treatment and do really well because otherwise I tell

people this is gonna work but it's kind of like taking these these really great cells and throwing them into kind of a

wood chipper yeah oh wow it means a lot of them are going to get

ground up really fast some of them will probably survive right but we also want longevity in this treatment you know I

want to get the patient better and get that initial result they want but I want it to last so really this is where the

you know kind of the foundational like integrative um you know take that you do and I think

about with patients of like gotta get the rest of their body like really in a good state of health so that we can

really give it this powerful nudge with the treatment so that it can take it and run with it yep for preserving one's

internal Bank of stem cells is that mostly just regenerative medicine doing all the foundational building blocks or are there some specifics that people

should know yeah so I mean it's it's interesting because what we know stem cells have a certain

lifespan they can recycle themselves and kind of like produce a new stem cell and

go through these iterations so many cell cycles and then eventually the cell itself will die off

um so it's the collective inputs over one's Lifetime right what we call the epigenetic inputs right we've a lot of

people you know subscribe to the genetic code philosophy of like well I was given this set of genetics and that's your

definition that's my destiny and everybody in the family got this and you know I'll probably just get it in time

and and now what you and I know and what science shows us now is it's maybe as little as 10

20 maybe but I'm reading a book right now or they say it's really probably closer to 10 percent crazy which which

means 90 of how our genetics Express themselves into diseases over time or

how our body utilizes these stem cells faster or slower right and because again

if it's trying to repair a lot of Chaos in your body all the time right it's utilizing those stem cells quicker if

we've kept things pretty chill for most of our health our life and our health yeah we're going to have bigger reserves

of those stem cells the later we get into our ears that makes sense you're reading right now I'm curious oh

it's it's uh Mark Hyman's latest book uh young forever yeah excellent

yeah so he's he's kind of referencing a lot of things in this book but again it's applying all these principles that

um you know he touches on a little bit of what I do a lot of what you do and naturopathic medicine and functional

integrative uh kind of approach to this uh you know Network systems medicine is what we call it now how do we look at

all these systems in the body and how they're all networked together and it's just like a network if you have a you

know Wi-Fi in your house right there's all these things running on the network but how are they all running on the network in harmony exactly exactly yes

not piecemeal like a lot of traditional medicine tries to do to separate your body into one segment and another

they're all very interconnected for sure right and the core of this like when we look at the the root cause of most

disease patterns whether it's arthritis uh whether it's you know thyroid

dysfunction you know metabolic you know blood sugar regulation when when those

disease processes are in motion there is this inflammatory component to it all

and if we look to really get to that root cause and work on that we kind of don't

have to work on all the individual diseases you know this in your practice absolutely you know you you get you get

the the core systems of the body back online and functioning in Harmony and

disease kind of disappears exactly exactly I remember when I first started naturopathic school I thought that I was

going in for essentially green allopathy which is where you get a herb that will treat a symptom but it'll have fewer

side effects than the drug and then I had this intensive at the very beginning that gave this fabulous analogy which

was if you have a swamp where there's tons of mosquitoes there there's two ways you can make them leave you can try

to kill them individually every single mosquito or you can drain and aerate the swamp and the mosquitoes will leave and

I thought oh my goodness I just found the Holy Grail everybody needs to know this but yeah absolutely you're right so

you don't have to always go after each individual thing if you make the person healthy yes in Spanish yeah yeah and

it's it's a challenge I think the way conventional medicine has it operating and how it trains

conventionally trained Physicians to think about it as hey there's this narrow focus of specialty that you live

in and this is somebody else's job and that somebody else's job right yeah so it's challenging because when I fix

one's knee in my practice by applying these principles or their shoulder yeah then they're like naturally can you fix

all these other things with me and I say well right I'm not trained to do so but I'm not practicing medicine either yes

we can coach you more deeply in these principles that can start to probably

have a dramatic impact on these other things if you're carrying you know earlier full-blown disease patterns that

you're on meds for and you would really like to get away from that in time it's just now being more intentional more

intensive and more consistent about those practices to restore the balance of your health yeah absolutely

absolutely so um speaking of books tell us about yours and what are they what

are they about well so I've done a few different ones over the years so I've done some real short form content books because unlike

the shells I have surrounding me because I just love having books around me as I look around my office

um some people just like shorter like kind of nuggets of information so like the the most recent one I wrote was

really three reasons uh doctors never get surgery fascinating that's an intriguing title

yeah and and it's really talking about a lot of what I just shared because a lot of people have

you know this like oh my God I'm like this is probably going this direction and I just think the only way this this

ends up is surgery and and that's a reason that's almost always false 70 of

the time or more when people walk in I say no this can be solved without surgery there is a time and a place for

it but I go through some of these reasons that people just haven't gotten to a different source of information or

a different practitioner trained differently with different tools and treatments to offer them that

it may not land in surgery always um so that was the most recent one I had

fun doing and then I've written some other ones like um you know five uh

exercises you know never to do if you want to keep your knees Beyond 50. nice

and uh the longer form ones that I've done really are more like I did an intensive kind of consumer guide to this

area of regenerative medicine or stem cell therapy so when people are out looking and trying to determine you know

if you're in Tucson great come see me if you're not in Tucson great come see me but

um if you're looking to say Hey you know my friend I heard about this I'm exploring it in my area I want to know

is somebody really trained up in the latest to apply these regenerative medicine treatments with a high level of

skill and expertise there's some things you really need to look for in those practices the training of the individual doing it right and so we kind of did

like a consumer guide because this was this is a little bit more problematic a few years back because this whole area

really exploded uh with stem cell therapies being offered in a lot of different types of settings by a lot of

people that were really under skilled or underqualified to be providing it yeah and it's and it's a big part now in why

the government is very aggressively regulating this space so

that yeah so they um they they put out a lot of regulatory policy and and we're

fully compliant with the FDA and what we do in my office and some offices weren't they were selling people snake oil and

you know they weren't High ethics type of practices and so we we needed to

write a guide at that time to say look you need to be looking for these things go don't get into a practice where they

don't do these things because you're probably not going to be well taken care of sure um and the longest form book I wrote

Because I I'm right now outlining my new uh I guess updated new book I don't know

when it's going to finish but the first one I wrote was while I was recovering from my injury in 2012. and as I started

to learn things that were just natural to you and your training but weren't

naturally trained into us and my type of training even though I'm a do I'm a doctor of Osteopathic Medicine yeah and

we had much more holistic thinking in we were trained to work with patients in

these systems of the body it wasn't the same and so and we got very very little

education and nutrition maybe a couple hours of our entire medical school was teaching us how nutrition actually

impacts the body it's crazy wow which is everything to how the body actually

thrives right or yeah it's just nuts so so as I was learning this stuff coming

out of my injury for the better part of that year in 2012. I was scouring

articles and books and learning about functional medicine and nutritional you know medicine is what it was yeah what

are these things I could be taking ingesting modifying what I eat to lower inflammation to stimulate more healing

to get my body the fundamental building blocks that needed to heal so that that was really my first long form I wrote it

I wrote it to be about a 20 Page guide at the start that I could give patients in my old pain practice I was working in

to say hey you should really try some of this stuff it's really working for me it could help you not take your Motrin or

leave or these other pain meds exactly you know and and I was just in the wrong environment where unfortunately a lot of

patients didn't want to do that work yeah yeah with the buy-in who are willing to go

so as I continue to learn I continue to wrote right and it became you know like 200 pages in time so I I kind of

self-published it but it's it's a 200 Page book it's called the pain-free diet and it's really talking about these

principles of how does your body work in repair uh what are the things we're doing maybe multiple times a day eating

ingesting things that and our chemistry genetics microbiome and all the other ohms of the body it doesn't it doesn't

sit well with your Chemistry so it's disrupting this balance and and some people just don't know it they think they're eating something really healthy

for them you know it's not like they're you know guzzling you know Mountain Dew and Twizzlers but there's something in

the chemistry of that food that doesn't really integrate with their chemistry and it creates this inflammation right

right so that was really the the aim I set out to to share with people in that

book is you know what are some of these things at at a very learnable level that you don't need deep level testing to

figure out but you start to do some experiments with certain food groups and just see how your body feels and

performs when maybe you're taking that out for a period of time or subbing it back in and then how do you feel yeah

yeah that's awesome and then your courses are these aimed at patients are they aimed at medical professionals or

either one uh patients you know most most of my stuff really my my when

somebody Point Blank me and they said what do you what do you aim to do with your practice it's it's really it's really easy I aim

to like end human suffering right sure

so good afternoon yeah right just easy it's what I do uh um but that's really

what it is so a lot of my stuff is aimed at the consumer the patient the client somebody dad says man I would like I

would like some you know intro to this stuff and things that I can easily apply that can really

help me reduce pain in my body that can help me start to turn the wheels on some of these functional you know principles

of how the body is going to just perform better and um so the the one course that

I like the best because it's kind of our entry level course it just gets so many light bulb moments for people it's just

called the path and you know we walk people down this path over four weeks of learning these things and it's it's

really you know video content for me teaching and some easy like one-pagers

that people can say okay here's the exercise and apply this here's how we really recalibrate our sleep apply that

here's how we think about hydration and just you know it's the simple principles that

always come through if we get these simple principles in place we do them consistently like really good things

happen in the body difference yeah you know there's some really cool technology in longevity medicine and all this stuff

but we don't even have to be doing that stuff let's do the basics yeah get the basics in and a lot of good things can

happen for people so I like that I have a much deeper level uh course I did called The Climb where now it's kind of

like really climbing here now we're getting into some heavy duty stuff so um yeah so those are they're definitely

directed towards uh um clients and patients and so when patients are in my practice we just you

know we give them become an access key to jump into those courses too if they want to yeah so is there anything that I

have not asked you that you want to make sure you leave with our audience well I think the biggest thing for

people to know is that one Physicians aren't all-knowing that's true yep

as many books as I'm surrounded by and as many things as I've read and as many years as I've been in this which is now

23 since I started my my true medical training in the year 2000 there's still

a lot to be learned and the more we study and the more we learn the more there is to learn right so you know it's

a constantly evolving process where if we're applying what we did in 2010 still

we're kind of behind probably in what what we now know that we should be doing how we can just continue to refine and

Tinker with it and it doesn't mean add more things to what you're doing it just means refine it I actually try to take

people the other direction in my practice yes how do we get you on the fewest number of supplements I agree how

do we you know just continue to see you better work getting better food quality

or better movement quality in the movement so it's kind of quality or the quantity and and I think for anybody

listening it's like you just gotta like if your gut intuition is like there's another way as I was thinking when I was

injured in 2012. there's another way there's got to be and then you just start seeking the answers right you

start asking more questions because there's a lot of Physicians I interact with that have no idea this

stuff exists even though we've been doing some form of it since the 1950s oh that's crazy

it's amazing how much we don't all talk to each other right right and and but if

you were to say this to a friend that's not knowing sure hey if somebody listening to this then as they're

listening they Park their car to meet their friend for lunch and they go and say hey I listen to this really interesting doc with Dr Deville and he

takes blood out of your body and shoots it into your knee and it helps you heal there'd be like you're insane yeah I

know you don't know about it then it's just gonna sound crazy but sure but but when we distill it down to what it is

like no it's not insane this is actually how your body self-repairs we're just taking you to help you which I think is

the coolest thing about what I do exactly so so I think for people out there that's that's the biggest thing is

is keep keep asking the questions because there's going to be a lot of people that are quick to dismiss things

that they're not familiar with and you know I think I it was a testament to my training that we were trained to be very

open-minded but also to know where our limits are know what we know and know what we don't know and know when we have

to phone a friend like you to say hey I need you to work with one of my clients because I need you to go really deep

with this person here and I know that's not my ex for teach so you know I don't

have an ego about what I do it's like hey if I feel like I'm pretty expert in this area I'm going to let you know I'm going to take you as far as we can take

you and I'm going to try to build a team for you that you need to really be successful with the other parts yeah

that's what we need for sure yeah so where can people go to find out more about you

the easiest places to jump on our website which is origin Ortho so we spell it differently

o-r-i-g-e-n Ortho o-r-t-h-o.com and that's the easiest place to find us we're on some of the

social platforms under Dr John Tate j-o-h-n-t-a-i-t

um I'm not as active there as I probably need to be uh so the easiest way for people to just learn about us uh some of

our books that I reference I think we have a couple of them up on our website that people can you know click in and

download if they want to get some information there we got a great team if you opt into a forum and say I'm just

curious uh can this help the situation I'm dealing with I have a great team that will get on a complimentary call

and just talk to you right and just say hey is this something that we do well in our practice and if not I have

colleagues locally regionally nationally that do different versions of this for different things

um that that I don't do and we can point you to those people that we think are really Best in Class

well thank you so much Dr Tate this has been fantastic really informative yeah well I enjoyed it it's a good way to

start my Friday absolutely thanks so much are you looking for a holistically minded Healthcare practitioner who truly

treats root cause rather than symptom suppression unfortunately even in the alternative healing professions this

isn't a given that's why I've created wholehealthdoctor.com a resource to help connect patients to Health Care

practitioners in their area who share a root cause philosophy alternatively most of the practitioners listed also

practice Telehealth so if there isn't anyone local to you you can still find a great practitioner to help you regain

Optimal Health go to wholehealthdoctor.com that's whole healthdr.com type in your location or

adjust the specialty that you're looking for and find the practitioner who's right for you

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