Fixing Healthcare, One Step at a Time: Emma Tekstra

welcome back to another episode of Christian Natural Health today I'm very pleased to have Emma textro with us Emma

is an actuary Independent Health researcher and author of how to be a healthy human with a 30-year background

in employee benefits and corporate health and wellbeing she consults with employers looking for real solutions to

Runaway health care costs and with startup companies bringing Health Solutions to Market welcome Emma thanks

for joining us thank you so much yeah so give us the elevator pitch for your book

what inspired you to write it uh well I was uh just uh I i' been

working in corporate for for many years and I think really when the pandemic came down and just the way employers

were handling it and how we were handling it here in the US compared to many other countries because I've been

uh talking to our colleagues in other countries and how they've been hand handling it completely differently and I

think how you would have for example uh advised your patients you know those kinds of things we weren't allowed to talk about it um and so many people are

just watching the headlines I feel nowadays where they might read a short article or watch a three minute YouTube

video and think oh yeah okay that that's explaining something to me but people aren't reading the context for those

headlines and you might read a headline this year and then next year it seems to contradict it just ref the study or

whatever and so I just felt we needed a lot more context we needed to delve in a little bit and see you know the whole

background as to you know what's going on what's going on in the the healthcare industry what's going on with big farmer

what's going on in our bodies people don't know this you know anymore how you know the basic workings of the human body so I just wanted to explain all of

that and sort of give some context for those headlines that are that are out there to help people I guess interpret

them a little bit better yeah absolutely and so what I love about your book is that it's straight naturopathic Theory I mean it's like obstacles to cure

identify and remove here's the basic building blocks for how to be healthy and you do it from kind of a gently

Christian Perspective too is that right yeah absolutely I mean for me if you know if we're just having this

conversation I'm telling you it's it's the way God has designed the body and you know if you took every doctor and

every scientists across the whole world and you took all of their knowledge and you added it all up and you looked at it

we wouldn't even scratch the surface of how God has created the human body to work and work you know in conert with

the natural world around us so if we're just having this conversation that's absolutely where I'm coming from but I

know that can be off-putting for some people who maybe they they're just they're not sure if they believe in God

or you know kind of puts that in kind of a religious perspective and to me it's just reality you know reality is reality

I'm I'm a seeker of Truth and whether that truth is how something works scientifically you know how you know how

light waves travel you know or how the human body works it's reality right so but I I wanted to make sure to reach

lots of different kinds of people and make sure that that wasn't too off cutting so so as I say gently and and I

think if you really push people I think deep down people know well there's something bigger than us I'm not quite

sure what it is I'm not quite sure what it means but I think there something so as I said I just wanted to to lay out

reality as I see it but then for people that like well actually this kind of makes sense and kind of it helps me

understand the whole natural world so actually I I want to know more and so I go into bit more I think in the in the

appendices yeah fabulous okay and so tell us a little bit of background on like what is an actuary how does this

pertain to healthare I just recently learned about this myself so I'm so excited to talk to you about this but

you for people that aren't familiar yeah sure sure well it's a little Nery but hopefully I'm not a typical acty I'll

tell you that okay so an acty deals with risk and data and a lot of numbers and

so a lot of actores work where I started in the pensions field so if you you

started a job let's say in your 30s and you're not going to retire so you're in your 60s your employer needs to put

money away now or you need to put money away now so that in your 60s you can retire and you can draw a pension so

that's a function of how long are you going to live and as well as things like you know how to invest the money and things like that so I used to focus on

on that but when so so my background as to how I wanted to Veer into Health Care

was my son actually so my my son 15 years ago he was about five he was

diagnosed with with aspergers and ADHD he had a lot of health problems a lot of learning difficulties and I wanted to

figure out you know how to help him the doctors of course just gave him a very poor prognosis wanted to put him on

drugs and I started thinking well hang on there's there's got to be a better way so I started researching and because

I'm an act I you know I just pick up these medical studies and act are very good at statistics really understanding

so you can see headlines out there that you know something is 90% effective that

doesn't mean that it's it's nearly perfect and you take it and everything's great that's not at all what it means

right and so an actuallyy can understand and really delve into not only the data

but how the data was put together so what was this population what elements were studied how did we account for

reality and various um uh um elements that that can change amongst the

population so I was delving into these things things and I and I found that okay something's really wrong with the

way we're approaching health and so there are a lot of actor that do work in healthcare as well and because they they

can apply this sort of statistical perspective and then we're also very good at taking lots of different pieces

of data and bringing it all together into a holistic picture as to what's

really going on so yeah it's a little bit nerdy but hopefully I can apply it and make it a little bit more

interesting my my book is not lots of people tell me it's totally lab

kind of funny I tell a lot of personal stories but yeah the background and but it does have scientific references right

absolutely a little bit of of nerdiness for those nerdy readers that what yeah well I kind of want to get a little

nerdy right now that's okay so can you describe like first of all who's paying

the actuaries in healthc care like who who has an interest in doing that and

what exactly do they do in the Healthcare context like I know you can apply your knowledge to it but what are

they actually doing in that space right now that is a great question so the actores in the healthcare field are

mainly employed by the insurance companies okay if you think about the insurance companies they're going to pay

your medical claims but they need to make sure they're going to have money to pay all those claims and and the the

policies that they've signed up for they've got enough money and enough Capital to pay them all so a lot of

actes are looking at the book of business and looking at the demographics and the population and trying to figure

out you know are these people going to get sick how many heart attacks are we going to have in this population how many cancer diagnoses are we going to

have in this population and they're studying that and they're adjusting accordingly and it's actores that figure

out what the premium cost should be so when I was working in a corporate world

and you've got big employers that actually they they they self-insure

their health plans which means they don't just pay insurance premiums like I'm going to pay $1,000 a month and

everything's taken care of the very big employers literally just pay the claims

so the employers themselves need to understand okay I've got this population what's going on in my population and

some of these employers will actually send questionnaires out to their employees to say you know what are you eating how much do you exercise all of

these kinds of things and then the actra is try and predict the ill health and

then they can figure out what the co-payment should be the employers might pay a lot of it but they're asking

employees to pay some but where how I want to come at it it's actually kind of frustrating to me that insurance

companies they're very focused on conventional Healthcare course they're very focused on you know what are the

drug costs going to be you know if you're going to get cancer those are very expensive drugs if you're gonna have an autoimmune disease if you got

lupus or multiple sclerosis those are very expensive drugs and how many of the population are going to be diagnosed

with these things but it's very it's very um it's kind of hands off it's kind of you know it's like oh well oh shucks

you know 10% of the population have got diabetes or whatever and instead I I get

frustrated that the insurance companies don't cover naturopathic medicine so a lot of your patients they're having to

pay out of pocket right and that's so frustrating because if the insurance companies would wake up to this that if

you pay for a naturopathic physician to guide somebody in what they're eating and how much they're sleeping in and

maybe some nutrient deficiencies and you take some supplements and would actually subsidize quality supplements that is

going tose so many of these conditions the insurance companies are going to win they're gonna be more save money exactly

right right but they're just not waking up to it yet I mean that's a lot of my mission now is to talk to insurance

companies and employers to understand that maybe paying a little more now

because if you're an employee you you look at your health plan you say okay I'm not feeling well and you look at

your health plan and you look at the in network doctors and you say okay I'll go to one of them and I only have to pay $10 for the visit and so they they go to

that kind of a doctor and that conventional doctor says oh be on this drug sure and then they look at their plan and well it's going to pay 90% of

the drug okay off we go right and then said well if I don't want to do that I've now got to pay $200 for a visit for

an naturopathic doctor and they're going to recommend some supplements to me and oh I've got to pay in full for those

what's the employee going to do of course and the employee is gonna get sicker and sicker and sicker so exactly

ex little longwinded but yeah no that I think is to fix this right yeah so

that's great background and um so side note before I get back to your story so my understanding again from like i' told

you kind of off the air that I originally found out about actuaries from reading an Epic Times article that

was making the argument that actuaries are not doing nearly as much with

insurance that they as they used to what Chang when why big farmer okay the power of big

farmer is funding so much of the medical education not only what the conventional

doctors learn in in regular medical school but after medical school they go to all their continuing medical

education and Big B is so funding all of that and subsidizing a lot of that and

and everything that that um that big farmer is funding is saying okay there's an autoimmune condition here's a drug to

address it something that that doesn't have a drug to address it well you know let's go and and and fund that research

to to find a drug there's there's no money there's no profit to be made in vitamins and if you're a conventional

doctor and you've got all of this debt from medical school this this a tough thing to say but they've got bills to

pay and if they're turning their patients around such that they don't need them anymore because now they're

healthy and they're not visiting them other than you know a checkup once a year then there's there's no profit in

it for the doctors either so it's it's a bit of a a vicious cycle and so the

insurance companies they're really limiting what the actores are doing the actores aren't out there looking at the

medical studies like I'm looking at like you know what is causing lupus um there's an interesting article actually

come out recently on yeah you saw that on on on what is actually causing lupus

and and of course the article then goes on to say okay that's something that the pharmaceutical companies can go Research

into address this particular you know uh condition in the body and I'm like well

okay but you know is it a nutrient deficiency that's causing it is it a lifestyle issue let's address those

things that can boost you know this this particular element in the body that that ends up causing Loopers so it's a

mixture of factors it's obviously it's never one thing but it is correct to say that you know we're not relying on the

actes and and the Ates themselves I was very frustrated in Co if I can kind of just go there for a moment that the the

Society of actores in the US they put a study out about um about covid and about

actually what happened the following year in 2021 when the mortality of young people

so the under 50s started skyrocketing yeah now just something a little bit nerdy about actores is that mortality is

very steady and this is what this is how life insurance can work and this is why life insurance General Life Insurance is

actually pretty cheap you can get very good life insurance for for $50 a month and if you pay you can get like four

times your salary paid out because mortality is very stable so the insurance companies know in a given size

of population how many people are going to die each year If It Moves by maybe 1% in a year the ACT getting nervous If It

Moves by 5% you're getting the the very senior people involved in 2021 mortality

of young people skyroot toed by nearly 40% in some populations what is going on

and so the Society of actores kind of talk about this they talk about the numbers but they kind of hid the

headlines in in their report which is what happened in 2021 oh these shots

rolled out the very experimental methodology as to what this this

pharmaceutical was containing and how it would affect us so there's things like that that that personally I was a little

embarrassed to be an acty for for a couple of years because I think they could do a lot and they could sound a

lot of alarm Bells but either they're not being listened to or they're not comfortable speaking out you know I

don't know what the issues are gotcha okay so then that leads me back to what my other question was going to be so you said that you started going into

holistic health for your son uh but then in 2020 2021 was when you actually left

being an actuary and now you're focusing on bringing the knowledge to the world with the book is that primarily kind of

where your focus has shifted yeah I mean I didn't get out till 2023 so I spent

years trying to sound that alarm I mean I felt a responsibility I me actually here I I was sending our leadership

these these studies these mortality studies like something is going on and we we were recommending our our

corporate clients mandate these shots I'm like what are we doing it's a personal decision for for a start off

it's not a your employer to decide what a medical intervention you should take so I was trying to sound the alarm and

after you know two years of that and me just getting beaten down I'm like okay I'm I'm not doing I thought I was doing

good I was doing the work that I was doing for 20 plus years because I wanted to help people I wanted to help

employers sure reduce their Healthcare spend but I wanted to help the ultimate employees and after a couple of years of

of beating my head against the wall I just wasn't helping anymore and also because the devil is in the detail and

employers they don't have a lot of time and they only want to look at the headlines even the leadership of my company only wants to look at the

headlines I'm like okay I got to take a step back here and I've got to lay out the context and put all of this detail

out there so that we're uh just not sort of focused on those headlines so yeah I stepped away last year to to write this

book so I could lay it all out yeah fabulous so and then again from the angle like approaching naturopathic

Theory from the angle of an actuary looking at the data like so for example what you just said about lupus I had the

same thought when I read that article I was like they got they had this one line at the very be the very end that was like maybe this is because of toxicity

maybe this is because of an organism but we're not going to go there so that's the kind of thing that

we need somebody to look at this is a question but how how would you use actuaries to fix

healthc Care at least a little piece of it what what would what do you see that needs to happen well I mean it's start

the insurance companies drive a lot right because so many people especially in the US where really if you're not insured you just can't get you can't get

healthare so it starts with the insurance companies and the actu is they employing to be looking at all of these

different studies not not just focused on you know the PO ation that is on the policy right now and just kind of making

some estimates which is kind of what they're doing right now what happened in the last two years you know how many people in a given population have heart

attacks and let's just apply that going forward instead they need to look at some of these studies and understand

holistically and look at all the things that I'm talking about in in my book the increase in toxicity the technology and

the you know electromagnetic frequencies and all of the different Technologies in in the food in the ultr processed food

all of these different Technologies and actually looking at the data that's the reality so instead of looking at well

can we say this can we not say that and what is it correct or even bringing politics in it politics should have

nothing to do with Healthcare absolutely nothing yes you know human body has nothing to do with politics right it is

reality the way the Body Works is reality we don't understand it we understand a fraction of it bit of it

sure I think yeah but I I think actores can help understand it through as I say understanding what the data is telling

us understanding looking at a whole bunch of clinical trials not just you know the the the headline studies that

oh you know we looked at 2,000 people over here and they say that you know this drug works you know works better

the drug works on addressing a biomark I've just been working on a on a new article actually about biomarkers I was

I was asked to write this article that kind of explains about the the blood test that you take and how to interpret them and and things like you know those

standard ranges where do they come from and so um a lot of Pharm ticals are

invented and tested on how they adjust a particular biomarker in your blood so

does it you know a Statin everybody knows what a stat it is it reduces LDL cholesterol okay it does do that yeah

but does it make you any healthier no and so it's looking beyond that very

narrow view of of what is this artificial chemical doing in your body to is it is it making you healthier and

so I think the actes can take a much broader perspective and because they're independent they need independent so you

need to look at some of the clinical trials and who is funding them to see lines come from but I think Act is you

know we have a very rigorous code of conduct extremely rigorous I mean I know

doctors do too um but you know actores they're kind of out of it they're nerdy

everybody kind of ignores them I don't understand what you do you you know so so I think in some ways I think actores

can still be independent you know and can speak out and so if you're an act please speak out you yes we need that we

need somebody to actually pull all that data together so that as you say it's not cherry-picked because it seems like

there's people who will say on one side of an issue versus the other completely

contradictory ideas and they'll pull out statistics that back it up and who's to say who's actually right it sounds like

somebody needs to look at okay so that's that's another thought you mentioned that 90% effective doesn't necessarily

mean 90% effective can you you explain why right it's a little complicated

math okay so okay so all right so I'm gonna kind kind of do it on those th those shots or

those numbers that everybody was seeing so you have two groups of people and let let's just say a shot any shot okay any

any okay so you've got a group of people that had no shot and you a group of people that that took a shot okay and

then you start measuring did those people get the disease so how many people in the shot group got the disease

and how many people in the no shot group got the disease so you might say okay in in the no shot two people got the

disease in the next month and in the um sorry that was the what did I say that

was no that's the shot group okay so in the shot group um two people got the disease in the no shot group maybe four

people got the disease so you might say the shot is it makes it twice as effective so it's almost like 100%

effective because twice as many people got sick so the you know that didn't have that intervention but if you had a

thousand people in each group you're saying two out of a thousand versus four

out of a thousands is a very small number yeah so it's the the absolute risk versus the the you know the

comparative risk and so yeah it's kind of mathematical and I know a lot of people aren't comfortable with those kinds but all I would say is when you

see the the headline that that only has one aspect because the headlines you didn't see for those particular shots

was out of the shot group if I just flip those numbers four people had a heart attack that next month and in the no

shot group like one person had a heart attack right so what's going on there sure you know it might be nothing to do

with the shot or there could be something there so you know so it's people cherry-pick the even the

journalists the journalists are responsible as well they cherry-pick the headlines to sell news or to get people

to do something because you know Healthcare it's it's an industry right they're out to sell things and so

they're GNA give you the marketing headline so that you buy what they're selling right yeah that definitely makes sense so um as far as the idea of the

insurance companies and you mentioning like having them cover naturopathic medicine so there is a bit of a debate amongst naturopaths as to whether or not

we even want that because they also will tell you like here's standard of care here's all the things that you have to do and also we're only going to

reimburse you for this amount of time so now you're seeing somebody for 10 minutes and you can't possibly get to

the root cause absolutely in 10 minutes right yeah and I agree with that I absolutely agree with that you know

Insurance dates back nearly a hundred years now the the first kinds of insurance policies and I think they're outdated and I think we need something

new and this is actually what I now talk to employers about an absolute new way

to fund healthc care so I call it like a wellness first approach so there's kind of a hybrid going on right now that that

many people aren't aware of if you're a big employer you've got your health plan which is kind of the traditional

conventional Health Plan like you say there's a standard of care and the doctors can do certain things and you've got a certain disease and you get

prescribed a certain drug right but then employers are recognizing well actually there might be a different way and they

also provide these Wellness solutions they call them Wellness Solutions and so there might be a company that will help

you reverse your diabetes and it's a completely different approach and the employer will subsidize that so it might

cost this this vendor might cost like a $100 a month and for a $100 a month you get a really awesome phone app that

helps you track track your food you get access to a coach that will help you they might recommend some supplements

for you they might recogn uh recommend an exercise routine and the employer subsidizes that and they advertise that

that new new plan program I would call it to people that are diabetic or pre-diabetic so they can make the

decision I'm not going to go on a drug I'm going to try this and see if this works there's a lot of that diabetes was

the first there's now um programs for autoimmune conditions all sorts of different conditions um even infertility

and migraines and all of these different kinds of programs and a lot of employers now they they might have several of

these different kinds of programs but here's the problem with it if I'm an individual the communications I'm

getting from my employer or how I choose which job I'm going to is oh what's the health plan covering I'm nervous I I

don't understand that diabetes is entirely reversal I don't understand that my lupus is entirely can be

reversible and so I want to know what the health plan is and what that will cover if I'm going to do these other kinds of

programs well that's going to be an out of pocket for me even if I only have to pay $50 a month what I would like to see

is that employers completely reduce the emphasis on the health plan and have something that is more emergency only

coverage and it becomes expensive for the employees if you want that conventional care then you need to pay

$500 a month for that if you're going to do these other kinds of programs you only need to pay $50 a month for that

and so you need to try the lifestyle first you and we and this other kind of a plan has all of those lifestyle kinds

of of um coverages and you can pick the doctor you want to use you can use a naturopathic doctor but it wouldn't be

Insurance it would be the naturopathic doctor would be part of one of those programs a lot of them use like

functional medicine doctors and things like that and there's networks each of them are building up of of these integrative and alternative kinds of

doctors and so it's not insurance so you so let's I am your patient as part of my

program I get to talk to you and you can talk to me for 30 minutes once a week you can talk to me whatever your

particular program is but but the other program pays for it and there's no insurance involved you don't get don't

get told how to do it right and that's what I see that's my vision for the

future of Healthcare in this country particularly employer funded that's

fabulous so so in other words it's almost like at least at the individual level it's starting with incentive of

where rather like there's there's an education component but it's also if you just want to straight save money this is

the better way to do it and then over time they end up learning about it but so this also would be focused on the the

big employers first and then maybe it would kind of Blossom or balloon from there kind of a thing yeah I mean I

think not the giant employers because I think they're they're very much you know big farmers all over them especially the

really well-known logos but I I what we call the mid market so an employer that's you know a thousand $2,000

employees and the health and the health costs for that kind of employee are huge and they're very overwhelming and

they're skyrocketing healthcare costs are skyrocketing right now I think it's those kinds of employers that that can

really do the communication really well can can really speak truthfully and and lay out reality and then there's also a

role for the actes of course because what I'd like to see is when you when as an employee you you'd probably have to

offer these two kinds of plans because you'd need to sign up for Lifestyle Changes which is very hard for for a lot

of people everybody wants to right exactly yeah a lot of the people just don't want to I just want to pop a pill and I'm fine and that's fine if that's

what you want to do go in plan a over here or let's call that one Plan B but if you are willing to and we'll give you

a coach and somebody's going to help you and you you can go gently that's plan plan a over here we're going to push

that first and then at the end of a year or two the actores can then study those

two plans and here is what's been spent on the lifestyle approach first plan so

yeah can be expensive and you've got a coach you're speaking to once a week and we're paying for all those very quality

supplements you might be spending $100 a month on supplements I think I do on the high quality supplements and and we're

paying all of those but yet look we've we've got people off all those high cost drugs you know they're off the diabetes

drugs they're off the autoimmune drugs and so we're making those savings and then we've got the other plan over here

that the premiums you know are higher but then there's all those prescription meds that we're paying for and then you

know they they've got a diagnosis a cancer diagnos in two years and so monitoring how those two different kinds

of a plans are performing and over time again reality will speak for that's

fabulous and the idea that people are self- selecting into which they fall into as well it's not like somebody's

being you know assigned to the group that's giving them the Pharmaceuticals or whatever so that's that's really

great um you wrote an article that really intrigued me I have yet to read it and I need to find the Artic the the

the link for it but it's on germ versus terrain Theory and you said it was kind of shortsighted can you explain more

what do you mean by that well first just so everybody knows what we're talking about so germs Theory going back to uh

even like the 1940s was saying that there's there's germs there these microbes that are making us sick right

and so Louie Pastor you'll know Louie Pastor from pasteurization of milk so that we're not getting sick from the

bugs in the milk um and at the same time and many people didn't know there was

another scientist really in both both of these guys are in France uh called antoan ban and ban had a

completely different theory that was called terrain Theory and so your body is your terrain and he was saying that

keeping your terrain healthy keeping your body healthy will help ward off disease right and so pastur was way more

well-connected and so his theory basically went out and everybody thought bamp was was a weirdo and and he was

excommunicated and he died young it's it's pretty sad but Pastor B basically

laid down what today is conventional medicine or Western medicine is that there's a bug or a microbe that is

making you sick and so we've got to address that bug it's where all all vaccinology and Immunology was sort of

based on germ Theory but now in in recent years and not that recent I mean it's been building right for for for

decades um that uh terrain Theory and how sick you are uh sorry how healthy

your body is is really going to influence whether you get sick or not so it's when I say that both of them are

shortsighted is because it's not really one or the other it's a combination of both but but germ theory of course when

it came out in in like the 1940s they didn't understand the microbiome microbiome is all the bugs of

microbes and bacteria and viruses and parasites and even fungi that are living

in and on our body the majority of them is is in our gut and and even on our

skin but this is God's design they are not all bat right probably I think the

estimates now are less than 1% of them are bat 99% actually make our bodies

work well and they have an absence of them then things are breaking down so a

lot of diseases I mean many are due to toxins due to nutrient deficiencies some of them are due to a damaged microbiome

that you just don't have enough of the good guys who can keep out the bad guys and can also help you know they they

help create our hormones they create our neurotransmitters so lot of problems that we have are due to a damaged

microbiome from a lot of toxins and even the Pharmaceuticals can can damage them

so so that's why I say you know you can't really focus on one or the other I think it's a combination certainly there

there are some some bad some pathogenic bacteria definitely but if you keep your

body healthy you're going to be robust and you you're not going to succumb to even even some of those really really

bad was like Ebola you know everybody's terrified with ebola you know Ebola can be completely cured with vitamin C with

really high dose vitamin C I did not right so I mean people are terrified they they hear of these bugs and they're

very terrified you know when when there was a case of Ebola in the US every was like like terrified sure no these things

can be cured it's it's our bod's need the thing where they bowlly you remember people can be bleeding some of those B

sure that makes perfect sense that it's vagic fevers well vitamin C keeps your blood vessel solid and so a lot of it

when you when you have any kind of virus you're using up a lot of vitamin C that's why in the old days people knew

to take vitamin C and eat some oranges and things but if you mentioned that during the co covid days like oh no no

no vitamin C is not gonna help you know yeah absolutely so yeah and I'm totally on board with you on that is the the

naturopaths tend to air more on the terrain side for sure but at the same time there is a difference in virulence

depends on what organism we're talking about there's opportunistic infections that are no problem for somebody whose

body is super healthy and then there's some that are pretty virulent and you have to kind of Step Up your game in

terms of how to address those so absolutely I agree what have I not asked you that you want to make sure you leave

with our audience um I think I think the biggest point that I think I I want the audience

to leave with is that your health is in your hands amen and so it's I know it

takes a bit of work to research what's going on and it's so much easier just to go to the guy in the white coat and and

pop a pill but just think of the long-term consequences that so I I just

want you know so my book was really to empower people to understand a little bit more written in layman's terms so

you know there plenty of doctors have written have written some fantastic books but if you're a Layman they can be

a little overwhelming because they might be a little bit technical I've really tried to avoid any of the technical

jargon I've got some pretty pictures in there some little illustrations you can understand just enough about how your

body works to when you have that thing happen like you got that pain and I'm not saying don't get your pain checked

out you you've got to go see a doctor if you've got a pain something weird is happening yes get it checked out but

just because you go to a doctor even a conventional Doctor Who diagnoses Something puts a label on you I just

want you to understand but you don't have to do the treatment that they're recommending you can do a little bit of

research understand a little bit more about it and then look at all these different options that you have

available whether it's herbalism or acupuncture or Energy Medicine or just addressing your nutrient deficiencies

whatever is comfortable to you and your lifestyle there's a lot of different options out there and don't just take

what you know the the one conventional doctor right love it awesome where can people go to learn more about you and to

get a copy of your book so my home base is really my website which is emra.org

just em Textra doextra sub.com and all the social media links to all of that I

have some courses so kific as well but all of that all all of it links together so if you want to learn a bit more so I

have some courses um and then the book is available you know start with the book that will give you a lot of background and that's available

everywhere good books are sold you know Amazon bonds Noble Target all of that so

uh I hope it's helpful awesome well thank you so much Emma this has been really informative really appreciate it

okay this was great

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