Dr Nasha Winters - Integrative Oncology

foreign welcome back to another episode of Christian Natural Health today I am very

excited to have Dr Nisha winter with us Dr Nisha is a global Healthcare Authority and best-selling author in

integrative Cancer Care and research Consulting with Physicians around the world she has educated hundreds of

Professionals in the clinical use of mistletoe and has created robust educational programs for both Healthcare

institutions and the public on incorporating vetted integrative Therapies in Cancer Care to enhance

outcomes Dr Winters is currently focused on opening a comprehensive metabolic oncology hospital and Research Institute

in the U.S where the best that standard of care has to offer and the most advanced integrative therapies will be

offered this facility will be in a residential setting on a gorgeous campus against a backdrop of regenerative

farming EMF mitigation and Retreat as well as state-of-the-art medical technology and data collection and

evaluation to improve patient outcomes welcome Dr Nation I'm so excited to have you here today so excited as we were

getting ready to do the recording you and I were already like much excited about this conversation

with your followers love it that is so right on the same wavelength so first like give our listeners a little bit of

background on you and you've got this this incredible cancer story of your own that kind of LED you into integrative

oncology so tell us about that sure you know I think anyone who decides to jump into the work in the cancer Arena we

didn't sit there and choose it because we thought this seems like a really good job like

we've had a personal experience that usually draws us into this field either directly impacted by it or you know from

ourselves or a very very close loved one or just really watching people suffer with this condition and so I'm no

different than that and I started out in the world with a lot of health issues so wish I would have had access to a a

train-based practitioner or an integrative naturopathic colleague you know way back in the day when I was

dealing with all my health issues from basically birth up until the moment that I was diagnosed with terminal cancer

um stage four ovarian cancer in stage organ failure um just shy of my 20th birthday the

official diagnosis didn't come until just a few weeks after my 20th birthday but I'd been in and out of the ER for

months on end leading up to that and it was just wrongfully you know diagnosed or misdiagnosed or missed in general

because I was like this the zebra we talk about in medicine you know like 1991 who's thinking that a 19 year old

has stage four ovarian cancer right exactly right so we don't really blame you know that Community for this because

it we'd miss it today right it's just it's not what you're looking for it's not what you would ever expect and I had

such a a chronic illness history that it was just expected like oh this is just your PCOS or this is just your

endometriosis or this is just your IBS or this is just your rheumatoid arthritis or this is just your so everyone just kind of kept putting it in

the boxes that had already been sort of labeled for me sure yeah in that time

and so that diagnosis was a giant aha wake-up call for everybody involved myself included

um and to be really uh kind of just forthright through with your listeners it came at a really uh interesting time

in my life because I was really questioning whether I should be here or not and had actually struggled with

um suicidal ideations and even attempted suicides in the Years prior to my diagnosis and so from me it was such a

blessing and that it was the ultimate sort of wake-up call the ultimate messenger the ultimate like shake me

awake to say do you want to live here's your opportunity you can have an exit strategy or you can choose to live and

for me you know I appreciate that there's people that cancer becomes their exit strategy that you know they they

may connect with this is my time but for me it lit a pilot light that said not my time I got to figure out why a 19 year

old would have this diagnosis when it's so uncommon and that's what I set out to

do I didn't set out to cure it or live I just wanted to understand the why and here I am 31

years later at the time of this recording um with that terminal diagnosis still

learning the why for myself as well as tens of thousands of patients globally yeah wow what an amazing story so

considering this was 19 early 1990s how did you come to get the information

that you got in order to turn things around like did you just figure this all out on your own or yep because in 1991

there was no doctor Google there was no you know this is pre-integrative medicine we you know we've started the

department NIH was starting kind of quietly just to start to create a department of alternative medicine is

what they initially called it with NIH and then it moved into Cam complementary and alternative medicine into the 90s

and then later in the 2000s it evolved into the center of Integrative Medicine which is sort of the moniker of today

right like that's how we think of it today so this is early on before anybody

was groovy in this field right like just out there there were no influencers there was no that Facebook pages of

support so I did I had to really go it alone I was pre-med so I had a very inquisitive scientific mind and I

started researching everything I could through the Dewey Decimal System and on microfiche because that's what was

happening right the internet you know like all the things and so I started learning uh different things along the

way and because I was so so ill um one of the most fundamental things that happened accidentally which you and

your listeners understand that nothing happens accidentally um you know I feel very guided on this process but

um I was I had a bowel blockage and so I couldn't eat anything if I ate it caused

extreme excruciating pain that made me want to leave my body um but it also made me very nauseous and

I would throw things up so I literally could not eat for two and a half months and with my giant swollen ascites filled

belly and my bowel obstruction and my organ failure that was probably in

hindsight the best thing that could have ever happened and it was an accident right we now today in the modern arrows

we can actually go back and look at work by people like Dr moreshi from 1909 showing that one of the biggest

strategies to tumor debulk is actually fasting so I accidentally fasted I I had

definitely had my 40 days and Beyond in the desert of my psychology of this process in my spirituality of this

process um and so that probably that helped dry up a lot of the ascites even though I had to have a few Taps during that time

it helped me debulk some of the tumor to take some of the pressure off that was causing so much pain it gave my

digestive tract and my organs my kidneys and my liver to recover from some of the

burden it was carrying and then slowly and surely I started to learn other tools I started to bring on some

acupuncture for my appetite and for my pain management I started to work in a health food store to get access because

I was very poor to have access to quality food and to supplements that I couldn't otherwise afford so I basically

take home whatever food they were going to throw away and was living on that um I started I had to do a two-year

family fast I came from a lot of toxicity a lot of abuse a lot of trauma um as I mentioned came from a lot of

poverty as well and so I just needed to pull myself away and do some inner resourcing with these things and so

those pieces just bought me the time to keep as I say kicking the can down the road a little bit further and these time

I'd hit a certain Milestone I'd learn something new and I'd apply it to myself

and then I'd hit another spot and apply it to myself and suddenly they told me I'd be dead in three to six months suddenly I'm past six months and I'm

still here no one knows why especially me and and I stumbled across a book the day

they told me that there was nothing they could do I was pretty traumatized and ended up in the library and in two hours

and hailed a book that just seemed to jump off the shelf to me called Quantum healing by an unknown writer at that

time that Deepak Chopra yeah right I mean this is back in the day I switched my pre-med degree from

biology and chemistry to psychology and chemistry and at that time based my

degree on a self-constructed major of psychoneuroimmunology based on the work of people like Candace Peart and Robert

ader and Bruce Lipton and others again well I I was more drawn to that because

I did start to understand the trauma body impact on this as well as the toxicities that I was exposed to I grew

up literally today if you type in my ZIP code of where I grew up I was on four

super fun sites within a few miles of four Superfund sides of big military and Industry environment I was so poor we

lived on extremely processed sort of second-hand you know shopping at the cheap grocery stores and just like box

thing and the pink meat that we called hamburger and so like they just all those things like I had no nourishment

um in my body and so I learned these things along the way of like how to like tweak one thing tweak another it didn't

come overnight it took me a good 10 years I would say to get myself stable enough to to start to trust that he

actually might survive and in that first year within the end of my first year of

being alive I realized I was strong enough and healthy enough still with no promise of my future that I thought I'm

gonna go live my bucket life at my bucket list because I'll be dead you know I was believed because that was the

belief system was fed to me I took off on seven months of traveling throughout Europe and in doing in the Middle East

and India and all these places and started stumbling across different healing modalities things above and

beyond what I was learning in my pre-med courses and thought I was going to go to standard of care medical school and started learning about these other

options and opportunities and it just really every little place was like

another little egg in my basket of another little treasure that I stumbled upon that just helped bring me to where

I am now 31 years out and so applying it to myself first getting into some really amazing educational programs such as the

naturopathic education my doctorate in Chinese medicine spent 13 years studying ayurveda lived and worked on a in

indigenous communities and worked with kind of the shamans and the indigenous practices of those communities learning

from different healers and healing modalities from all over the world all of those things informed me as well as

my ex experience in working in standard of care I was a CNA all through my college Years a certified nursing

assistant I worked at an alzheimer's unit I learned you know all of the things and kind of general medicine I

worked in hospital settings I worked in HIV Hospitals and Clinics I learned so much through my education that standard

of care informed my knowledge as much as alternative and I really realized that I

couldn't separate the two for me it needed to be both so that's where we are today that's amazing so I as you're

telling your story I'm imagining this should be like a documentary movie awesome day my Hallmark TV show yeah

exactly but I mean just so incredible and I mean almost as if you know if you

could show what's happening in the spiritual World on the other side as you're being led to all of the various

things that ended upon the next step I just love it that's so good Goosebumps just you even say saying that and I've

definitely had you know those experiences that there was I've had a lot of help a lot of a lot of support along the way yeah that's beautiful so

having gone through like alternative and traditional and all of the rest of it what is your perspective on the western

like oncology model in general yeah so you know in general we've it's it

Western oncology is very very expert at the tumor they know everything there is

to know about a tumor a tumor cell a tumor pathway and they're hyper focused on that and they're like wow I got this

and so they're always focused on that right what they forget is that there is

an entire organism living breathing Dynamic organism wrapped around that tumor wrapped around those tumor cells

wrapped around those tumor metabolic pathways and that is the part that they don't have training in that they don't

have expertise in and so they either don't know and and will admit it or they

don't know and will just say this stuff is cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs please don't do it or they're really resistant to

even recognizing that there's something more and so you get a mixture of I guess

reception depending on where people are in their own belief systems within that environment sure yeah yeah yeah and in

my career I've watched this field go from extremely like nope you're crazy

get out of my face too all right you're not causing harm but you're likely not doing anything either and now it's

moving into this realm of wow you might be onto something now the re the things you've been saying for 30

years the research is now catching up to it and isn't it interesting how long that process takes I never in a million

years thought I would live to see what I'm seeing in the last two years things are beginning to shift yeah

it's exciting it is absolutely so you have this amazing book on integrative

oncology and one of the things that really struck me in that was what you

kind of described as the the mitochondrial component so tell us a little bit give us a brief overview for

the listeners who might not remember what are mitochondria and how does this apply to cancer let's back it up a tiny bit before that

though because in 1914 Dr Theodore Bovary coined the concept of the somatic

mutation theory of cancer which is the idea that cancer is just a genetic

hiccup accumulation of genetic uh assaults that are basically just bad

luck all right that's the drum beat we've been you know the beat of the drum we've been moving through for about ever

since so well over 100 years that's also what's informed all of our standard of care research models we are again it

takes us back to the tumor but to the tumor very specifically this is a genetic disease that cancers a genetic

disease but what's been interesting is even the American Cancer Society says cancer is a genetic disease however 95

of the time those genetics are based on the diet and lifestyle that imposes

their the genetic sort of expression okay so it's like can it be both ways

and so all of our research sellers keep going in like after the gene once we got the genome mapped we thought this is

going to be it we're going to have the answers and it's like nope we didn't we got further it's almost like the more we learn the more we don't know which is

beautiful 1920 crazy old researcher Dr Otto Warburg came along and said I'm

noticing something here that's not at the genetic level it's at the pre-genetic level it's at what is above

the gene which is what's happening at this fundamental so we have we have our cells

and within those cells we have this cytoplasmic jelly okay it's like this it's like this it's like the water in

the swimming pool and then floating little floaties in that swimming pool are what we call organelles so like

little cell organs and they're they do have a lot of different properties but one of the organs that's in there is the

mitochondrion if you had like sixth grade biology probably only thing you ever learned was probably the

mitochondria they make our ATP and that's our energy and then we kind of bury that data and move on in life so Dr

um Warburg was noticing though that at that level that the mitochondrion in cancer cells was very different than the

mitochondrion in healthy cells and he started to recognize that there was a a

process in the cancer cells where the mitochondria became more uh wanting to

suck up glucose suck up you know sugar then the healthy cells and so it would

basically starve out the healthy cells to feed itself until basically it succumbed that research was really

prominent until the 1950s when Watson and Crick came on and found the DNA oh wow that was our approach in cancer we

were on the path of metabolic yeah but then Watson and Crick came along and basically took us off that path and

pushed us down the DNA problem all over again fast forward to 2011 when Dr

Thomas seifried's book cancer is a metabolic disorder it's like he dusted off the old data of Warburg brought it

back to our even though people like Dr Amina Bissell was researching it and talking about the importance of the extracellular Matrix basically the

cytoplasm and the behavior of the mitochondria and whatnot back in the 80s and other people came along doing it as

well his work really started to change the narrative starting to show us that really cancer is a metabolic disease so

it's when the mitochondria which are those yes they are our production of ATP but it's more so about a general energy

Exchange change and a general response that your mitochondria our little signaling they take in all the data

that's coming through whether you know what you're eating what you're drinking what you're thinking interestingly

enough impacts the energy Pathways within that cell so that's where the psychoneuroimmunology really plays plays

a role here but also what what it's being exposed to the toxins and the environment the Pharmaceuticals things

that basically make that mitochondria suffocate and shift metabolically into a

deranged cancering pathway versus keeping it on track because our

mitochondria when they're healthy when they're functioning well they're the cleanup system too they're directly in

charge of apoptosis programmed cell death so basically when a cell gets a little

you like that that was like really good what did she just do cleanup system it recognizes boy this

cell isn't working well anymore and when you have a cell that's not working well it could signal more damage and it could

start to Signal DNA break down DNA damage and so when your mitochondria are

doing their job they they self-regulate right when that metabolic shift happens because of the way we're eating or

thinking or the stressors or the chemicals or the you know the numerous drops in the bucket we'll talk about here in a moment that affect its

Behavior its quantity it's quality it's activity then it shifts into this

deranged state that is very difficult to correct without certain interventions

and ironically most of the therapies today are based on this DNA damage you

know because we're still trying to go after the D the gene is the problem and those therapies ironically make the mitochondria suffer more so it's it's

hard to poison a body back into health and it's not even to say that chemo's bad but it should be used differently in

the context of what we've now learned and so the metabolic approach is starting to really overtake the genetic

approach and they're understanding that really what's happening at that metabolic level is what's driving the genetic level and then one last piece to

this which is very interesting is how we started like how we're still promoting this as a genetic disease is really

Beyond me because we've been able to do what's known as cell nuclear cell transfer studies so when we talked about

that cytoplasmic swimming pool and the little organelles floating around you have your mitochondria and all these

other little organs but you also have this big organ that kind of looks like a big sunshine or a big moon which is your

nuclei which is where your DNA is stored that is the DNA information that's the

genome right there right if you take if this is a genetic disease

as Bovary and the entire medical system has to theorize that it is if you took a

cancerous nuclei out of a cell and you took out and replaced the nuclei of a

healthy cell theoretically you should turn that into a cancer cell vice versa yeah never ever happened

after jillions of experiments all over the world coming up with the same

results scratching her head saying this can't be a genetic disease exactly at

all at all and that's where everyone's like we can still talk about jeans genes

are still important but you have to go Upstream which is to that level of the mitochondrial metabolic function

absolutely and so kind of hand in hand with the idea of the medical the the dysfunction of the mitochondria over

time we've seen the cancer risks explode since 1940 and the world is also

simultaneously you know correlation possibly I'm getting German

so what are those statistics like how are things going in the wrong direction in terms of risk factors sure that's

such a good question I mean three major things have happened in the last 150 years once we moved into the industrial

food Revolution we went from an average of five pounds of sugar per person per year to about 145 175 pounds of sugar

per person per year which right there gunks up the mitochondrial okay like that alone was plenty right

the other thing is we had World War II World War II is I mean wow you know it

impacted every being on the planet but what happened at the end of that is we had an amazing excess of ammunition and

we're like What do we do with that and some smart person behind a desk said let's turn it into Pharmaceuticals and

agriculture excuse me what I did not yeah so we took all of our ammo and all those things and

we made Nitra you know nitrates for like for um fertilization fertile fertilizer

for our crops sure and we took the um you know like the like the for instance

like the mustard gas is what became later became chemotherapy and many of

these things so we're like where do we put all this stuff where do we put all these things that were you know

basically acts of killing right and let's put it into the thing that's supposed to

nourish us and recover us like heal us right and so so we've changed drastically

those the other two things is that we now have had well over 80 000 new chemicals

um presented to our bodies to our planet since the 1960s that have never existed

beforehand never we might have studied about and this is not my statistic this is the

world statistics we've studied less than 500 of them well so we don't even know the mess and we

don't even know how they interact with each other I mean we know but we don't know yeah and then so that's really a

frightening Endeavor and then the other thing is is just how we've changed our food practices so now we do we mono

craft the planet we used to have massive plant diversity we used to have massive soil we didn't till when you start to

till you actually break up the micro the mycorrhiza you you break up the microbiome of the earth you you break

that up and you actually diminish the nutrients we've dropped our nutrition from over 50 from the foods we eat today

and then let's just even start talking about the chemical chemicalization of our food from our plants that are being

ubiquitously sprayed with or just rained on from you know glyphosate soaked

rainwater to our animals that are now being put in little factories and never to see the light of day to eat food that

is not in their genetic match which is clearly not in our genetic match and then the antibiotics and the hormones we're pumping it up to get our you know

to get our return on investment dealt with here it's a doozy right and so those are the things that have changed

and folks are like beating up the wrong players they're like oh it's meat that's killing the planet like

oh it's you know they're trying to everyone's trying to like get very dogmatic and one little thing right it's

a collection of things we've changed a lot of things in a very short period of time and now we're all swimming it's no

longer a matter of if you're toxic it's how bad is it how does it interplay with your own epigenetics your own expression

of your genes because we all have different we're like to have our own little blueprint each of us and so some

of us like my husband loves the smell of gasoline like he loves it it's weird it's a weird pathology he's got super

fast glutathione processes he can take that stuff put it in and mix read it out I get a waft of it I got a headache I'm

nauseous my body doesn't have the ability to process that stuff so it comes in and it just poisons me directly

we all have a different sort of Baseline and so some of us have more resilience than others and some of

us have less resilience than others and Nary the two shall meet and so that's where we've gotten is is even be able to

critique and analyze where each person is to help to also best support and

serve them so that's why we're just saying hey everyone who's got stage two breast cancer gets this treatment they

don't realize that there's massive outliers on either side of that bell-shaped curve that maybe 20 percent

have a nice response and that's what we're basing our research on and that's what we're basing our treatments on but they forget about the outliers that will

either have no response or a horrible response and that's what I'm interested in is like let's look at those outliers

and let's see what makes them tick yeah absolutely so when I first started naturopathic school during the first

like intensive weekend um it was Dr James sensenig who did this I know

um who who there's this one analogy that has always stuck with me and he says if you want to get rid of mosquitoes from a

swamp there's two ways that you can go about it you can either kill each individual mosquito or you can drain and

aerate the swamp and the mosquitoes will leave and nailed it yeah we've been swatting and spraying mosquitoes in all

fields of medicine for far too long and it's time to literally drain the swamp

and and clean it out and I I've seen this analogy played out as the Fishbowl you know analogy of like you don't you

don't like kill you don't like add poison to the water for the fish you take the fish out you clean it up you

put the fish back in and bada bing bada boom you've got health and Dr sensing bless his soul this man was such an

integral part of my own way of thinking and the health word I love that he touched your life as well

um really saw it from that terrain Centric exactly exactly yeah sure so all

right back to the diet which was the first part that you discussed so you spend a lot of time in your book and I'm

sure with your patients trying to focus on this and what to change and so there's a lot of you know advice out

there for people who have cancer uh for what to change what is your favorite dietary approach I love it you know this

is another place that gets very dogmatic and I always tell people first of all there is no one diet right it exists but

and we can really individualize by looking at people's Labs looking at their current condition looking at their

current terrain but we can also look at their epigenetics and see how they're eating to their to their genetic match

you know so those are the places that we don't have to guess anymore with regards

to probably what is the best way to go about this well guess what we got the data to help determine it for you and then we start experimenting with that

let's talk about the fundamentals what is common denominator across all areas

of nutritional advice in cancer is that plants should be at the base pretty

simple right high quality clean organic especially avoiding of the of the what they call

the dirty 30 used to be the dirty dozen unfortunately 30 now oh wow right right it's like taking a

look at how much more toxic the world is getting and it's not going away you know but the dirty at least people even start

with the dirty dirt The Dirty Dozen they're still doing Improvement we actually have lots of cool studies about people just avoiding the dirty dozen

they get a baseline lab test on their pesticides residues and then they go dirty you know Dirty Dozen free for a

month retest drops significantly our pesticide burden so it's not hard to

change this to support the body so if we take it a little bit further maybe get into the dirty 30 avoidance that might

give us a little extra room to evaluate but what we see here is across the board

that a good you know clean dense plant I love Dr Terry Wall's ideology of the

three the three and three so you know three leafy greens three cruciferous three color vegetables that's my root

the base for my patients is like three or nine to Fifteen servings of vegetables a day that's my base camp for

people and everyone's like wow as a keto I'm like yeah because I think people think keto is going to be all Protein

that's that's the old Adkins um you know side or not anywhere near that so you've got to get the clean 15.

everyone can agree on that at this point everyone can agree that you need to be low carb everyone when we know that over

90 percent of cancers are very glycolytic meaning that they're sugar Hogs everyone and given that less than

6.8 percent of Americans are metabolically healthy um per studies from

Chapel Hill North Carolina and a study that came out by the American Heart Association this summer July 2022. we

started out at 12 uh pre-covered we're now at 6.8 percent of us who are metabolically healthy so that means that

there are patients walking around with you know the Dunlap syndrome so the waist to hip ratio is not as it should

be we're dealing with people with chronic cholesterol issues which everyone blames the fat but it's

actually a sugar problem okay everyone's blaming and then we look at their blood sugar issues and everyone's saying oh

you're fine if you're at 100. no you're not you're already having problems if you're Rising above 80 on your fasting

blood sugar um and then you're looking at people's um just endurance like what kind of

stamina what kind of exercise are they doing if people are fatigued that's the first signs of mitochondrial dysfunction

so and then if their blood pressure is elevated that's showing issues around stress response that's showing issues

around elasticity and response and the vasculature itself and just oxygenation and perfusion of the tissues and so

those are all markers of metabolic health and all of those should be achieved without pharmaceutical intervention

so what these studies are showing is that only 6.8 percent of the American

population fits that bill of those scenarios I just painted out which means

all of us need to go low carb and what's ironic is what we say low carb today in 1850 it was normal carb right yeah it's

just compared to all the junk that's out there now 100 so crazy so when you know like five pounds of sugar per year it's

like of course we're all metabolically broken so no one thinks they eat sugar until I have them start to do like macronutrient counters and then they

realize that the heart healthy American Heart cardiovascular Association recommendations even the The Diabetes

Association recommendations for your healthy breakfast that's three days worth of sugar at breakfast

yeah right so your honey oats first of all drenched in glyphosate with your low-fat milk which when you take the fat

out you increase sugar to make it taste better and then they have their orange juice which is just one giant sugar bomb

and maybe banana or raisins on it which is just sugar on sugar and sugar suddenly you realize

that you only had sugar for breakfast and no one thinks about that they don't think about fruit they don't think about

grains they don't think about flower products don't think about tubers they don't think about those things that are just giant sugar bombs for folks so

that's the piece here that low carb that's pretty much where at that point is where we kind of diverge because this

is where you start to realize we're so metabolically broken we were all born as hybrid engines where we should easily

and readily um burn fats or sugar but we've all had like the brick on the sugar burning

paste um you know petal for so long our body has forgotten how to deal with the other form and so our bodies were never

supposed to be feasting 24 7 365 right we were built to be able to tolerate

times of feast and famine we literally Panic now if we can't eat something every four hours right and so we've

broken ourselves so much that our we don't know how to get into there we've all become so metabolically broken that we have to push a little bit harder to

get us back to that divinely created hybrid system that we were all made to do all made to be fasting right yep

fasting poor so there are multiple roads to Rome to create a state of physiologic ketosis first of all we're all born in

ketosis right um and then like and then we kind of if

you live on the planet yeah quickly get out of it once they start to pump you full of everything else but really there

are multiple ways to get to a state of metabolic flexibility which is you can

do it by a high fat low carbohydrate diet you can do it by just a low carbohydrate diet you can even do it as

a carnivore diet you can do it with exogenous ketones and you can do it with

various forms of fasting so there's no one right way but when you are eating

and if the timing in which you're eating you need to be looking at a new model of your food pyramid which is plants for

plants first fat second protein as a condiment and then depending on your

metabolic flexibility you may be able to tolerate a little bit of stevia or a

little bit of monk fruit a little bit of dark-skinned organic dark skin berries

or else a little organic green apple okay but until you're metabolically flexible you don't really get those

either until you push yourself back into Nature's state for you and then what

happens is you become metabolically flexible you kind of easily switch in and out that you should just naturally when you go to bed at night 13 hours

later you should be in ketosis that's metabolic health and so what's even intriguing to me as a study came out

from MD Anderson several years ago showing that women who'd had breast cancer if they fasted 13 hours or more every

night so basically finishing dinner at 6 pm and not breaking fast till after 7 A.M they had a 7-0 a 70 reduction in

breast cancer recurrence then their counterparts who basically ate ad libbum oh wow that's amazing they didn't even

ask what these ladies ate during the day they could have been eating Twinkies so we're learning that even the timing is

big and so think about ourselves just from not too long ago the in incandescent light bulb has not been

around that long you guys your great grandparents will remember before this time typically right and so when now we

can basically eat and work around the clock thanks to false light we've messed

with our circadian rhythm we've messed with our metabolic Health blue light screen exposures kick up your glucose

and insulin levels so even if you're eating perfect but you're sitting in front of a blue screen at 3 A.M with your elbows right so this is really

big we can watch the insulin levels go up the insulin growth factor levels go up which are major drivers in the cancering process and so our our recent

ancestors were basically eating between sunrise and sunset so if you could even just simply get into the habit of eating

only when the Sun is up you probably will do yourself a lot of good yeah I'm not even worrying yet about what to take

out of the diet then once you master that then start to push yourself see if you can handle 13 hours once you master

that see if you can handle 16 hours once you master that 18 24 36 on and the rule

of thumb I work my cancer patients into doing here is getting every day 13 hours without fail twice a week pushing it a

little bit harder with a 16 to 18 hour depending on their cancer type and their chemo regimen we will do usually a 24

hour fast once a week and then a three day water fast once a month and then for

folks for the long duration people like Thomas Seyfried and people like the longevity researcher Dr belter Longo

suggests a five to ten day water fast twice a year could could theoretically

lower cancer risks by 70 percent amazing right and it's free yeah

absolutely that's right and you work up to it and if you are someone who needs to jump in on it you want to have some

medical guidance and support because we help people get their fast easily um with our supportive therapies but man

everyone can get to this point even my type 1 diabetics even my type 2 diabetics we know how to get you know

really extensive insulin dependent diabetics we can get folks there and once they get there we make them way

more metabolically flexible they're able to cut back their insulin they're able to get completely off their insulin we've even seen patients get off their

insulin with type 1 diabetes which I never wow possible I've had 20 of those in my career that's amazing shock some

people on insulin for over 18 20 years so it's not even like oh just the newly diagnosed now we've seen some pretty

amazing things and there's a couple of our colleagues who practice this and know exactly how to support someone through this process so don't let the

belief systems block you because truly anything's possible we are far more powerful than we've been led to believe

men absolutely I love that so what would you say still on the diet stuff you

somebody who would say okay if you have cancer then you have to be alkaline and you have to avoid all animal products

what's your answer well first of all alkaline is not possible with a diet and

everyone thinks that it is and the other irony is that the acidity that everyone thinks is the cause of cancer is

actually the response to cancer wow we've come after the fact the cancer

is what acidifies the micro environment okay okay and you cannot eat your way at

it I mean if you're if you're going to keep eating like really high omega-6s and really processed foods you're going to keep aggravating it so that's what

you want to avoid but it's not like oh more vegetables are going to fix this or no meat is going to fix us that's not

how it works the only way you can really overcome alkaline acid issues is with pharmaceutical intervention that's

because the body is so beautifully set to um to homeostasis that if you take in

something acidic the body quickly makes it outline if it takes something outline it quickly makes it acidic it's

constantly in that and you can't have like this is the beauty is like it's divinely created for that and the only

way to really uh um interrupt that is with pharmaceutical interventions so there's that piece and

then the other piece around the meat right this is coming from a person who's a recovering vegan and a recovering

vegetarian all right and and I really because that's all that there was back in 1991 as though

everyone should be on you on a raw food vegan diet and there's still people out there promoting this despite the fact that cancer patients

have very very low magnesium vitamin K Vitamin D B12 vitamin A zinc and I'm

missing one but uh I think those are the main ones so we're missing those and guess what that's also the nutrients

that are missing in our vegans and our vegetarian populations because those most of those are derived from animal

products yes you can get a vegan vitamin D but it's a vitamin D2 and it's not

well absorbed and for some people it's toxic yes you can get carotenoids from vitamin A but carotenoids are actually

shown to proliferate cancer cells so beta-carotene is contraindicated in our cancering population especially if

people have a snip called bcmo1 and then in things like B12 rooms like well you

can get B12 from spirulina well guess what a lot of our cancer patients can't metabolize that either especially if they have foot two tcn2 MTR MTR or mthf1

you know any of these Snips that help that are difficult in absorbing their vitamin B's and then if they're taking

the wrong form of vitamin B it can actually make things worse in the methylation pathways so there's just a

lot of variations that you have to dig a little bit deeper and I tell people I don't want to get in a dog no more with

you about your diet let me look at your teeth let me look at your Labs your Labs will tell the truth because it is near

impossible to get low enough carbohydrates on a vegetarian diet and virtually impossible on a vegan diet

where you're still like yes you can get the cars about you but you'll starve to death at the same time you will not meet

your needs of protein because protein in those environments are coming from legumes and and Grains both of which are

lots of sugar right so to get your protein needs to actually feed and support and protect your DNA and to

methylate and detoxify under repair tissues and to keep you mentally on your game

requires enough protein those diets yes you can get enough protein but you also

do so by getting a heck of a lot more carbohydrate to meet those needs so strategically there are experts that can

help people who eat those ways for whatever reason find their their way forward but it is very difficult it's

much more challenging and they will still have to take an animal-based fish oil vitamin D vitamin K and b12 to

actually be able to treat cancer for the Long Haul and that's really hard for people to grack that's really painful for them to

hear and again not based on Dogma it's based on data it's based on the reality and so we can see that so I tell people

if you're stuck or really attached to a particular diet let's see how it's actually working for you we can look at trabogenetics we can look at your Labs

we can look at your tumor process and see how things are doing so that's what we're looking at is a plant dense you

know high quality fat a little bit of protein based on the patient's needs and that protein can come from eggs if

you're a vegetarian um you know or or good quality dairy products but it can also come from you

know if you have the right genetics it can come from really good quality grass-fed and grass-finished beef and so

that's the other piece here when we are looking at animal products whether you're a vegetarian or an omnivore it

must be quality because you do not want to eat a super fun to site I think it's really key so I would rather people when

they're out to eat and they can't find something else I'd rather you go the vegetarian route if you're not sure of the source right which usually if you're

eating out it's going to be agriculture industry exactly right and so here's the bummer too though is my vegans and

vegetarians have the highest rates of glyphosate because of course of course

they sequester the glyphosate and so this is a known carcinogen right and so

this is the places you can't it's it's this is what we've done to the planet it's not the food's fault right no it's

not those like so we have to remember that and then the top notch here is is like to again a little smattering of

sweetness but we really want to push people back to looking for Sweetness in their life in other ways versus seeking

it out in food food and that's you know a lot of us are self-soothing on the planet today with carbohydrates we have

a lot of derangements in our serotonin Pathways in our melatonin Pathways and in our dopamine Pathways and that's

going to drive us to addictive behaviors and a lot of sort of justifications of why we're like but I feel better when I

eat carbs well that's probably a clue there's microbiome is a message you've got dopamine issues and so then when we

start to nourish the body properly those things balance out and so it's really fun to watch people

um kind of like reveal the truth of themselves to themselves by going on this journey as we evaluate their data

to find the best match for them and then everything seems to align their mood their digestion their metabolic Health

their anti-tumor Express you know responds all of the things seem to come into alignment awesome and I love that

diet is your foundation and trying to get your environment clean as much as possible so on top of that do you have

any supplements that you like to recommend is for most patients yeah and I think we kind of talked about some of

the big ones that are typically low so magnesium a really big one because you just don't get it in your soil anymore in your food even if you're a big eating

vegan lots and lots of veggies all the things even with our 9 to 15 servings a day of vegetables that we would promote

with our diet um this is really still very deficient so you likely need a magnesium

supplement vitamin D is also critical unless you are out you know exposing most of your body to the sun

um you know for 30 to 40 minutes a day every day and not putting stuff on your

skin that blocks it so interestingly enough sunscreen blocks your vitamin D formation because it blocks UVB rays and that's

where you get your vitamin D is from the UVB so that's why most of us are walking around deficient because we're terrified of the Sun and we are out there we Lube

up and avoid it more so more than 70 of the population is drastically vitamin D deficient so that would be a big one

um I also am really a fan in active cancering of higher dose melatonin but again I would have a physician help

guide that because it can reset circadian rhythm it can modulate hormones can act as a natural aromatase

inhibitor or selective estrogen receptor modifier it's a naturally anti-angiogenic it's naturally uh um

redox balancing so antioxidant but the balancing of that system so it has a lot of utility and again thanks to our

lovely changes in light circadian rhythm it really does help us get things in

order and then things like berberine comes after like the microbiome repair but also the blood sugar support and

balance and then one thing I wanted to Circle back to around the diet is you know a lot of people think a ketogenic

diet is high meat well that is the old Atkins way and it could definitely help you lose some weight but also High meat

in a patient with cancer aggravates something called mtor which will drive insulin growth factor which will drive

tumors even more so when people read the data like oh meat causes cancer well the thing is is too much protein even in a

vegetarian form can drive cancer so you have to be careful we actually use her a lower amount we use just enough to keep

the body alive which is 0.8 grams per kilogram without really pushing it whereas in a non-cancer patient you

might want double if not triple of that you know to keep going and so we'll repair a patient we might need different

levels of protein and repair like after surgery we might bump it up to like 1.5 grams per kilogram but this is really

critical is that it is not a high protein diet at all and so you both need to watch your protein macros as well as

your carbohydrate macros and some of us can get into ketosis just by dropping our carb levels under 50 grams a day

some of us have to push a little bit harder to 20 grams a day or less and then some with really really resistant

metabolic problems such as certain like glioblastomas for instance may have to push their carbs for a while under five

grams per day that can be daunting for folks and often needs some medical guidance some expert guidance in that

Arena but back to the the supplementation I think one of the biggest supplements we talked about is

the weaving in the intermittent fasting Moon bathing sunrise sunset walks and

exposures to reset your circadian rhythm grounding being as Barefoot as possible if you live in a second story building

or you know stories above the ground get grounding mats in your house and in your bed to help you just recharge those

mitochondrial batteries under our mitochondria are very receptive to light so if you're putting in too much blue

light you're stimulating the wrongful Pathways of the mitochondrial function that can push you into that aberrant

metabolism we talked about but if you're bringing in the right light at the right time you can actually rebuild and

replenish the mitochondrial Health along the way as well so light is medicine and isn't that interesting just everything

that God placed in the natural world is regenerative and exactly so naturally so

like we literally are made to be healthy and in accordance with nature and so

most of us have lost most people get to ask what what phase of the Moon are we in you know do you know when Equinox or

Solstice is and most people look at you like what what is that because Americans spend less than 15 minutes per day

outside wow is that right that's terrifying to me so nature deficit disorder is a thing

sure yeah and that's why I think all these studies that now that are coming out about Forest bathing like I've never

heard of that being a phrase but yes it's so regenerative right and how funny that we have to like qualify it now and

write a script for it when it was just what we did no we're like I had to go to

the woods yeah exactly exactly so changing gears a little bit in terms of like screening what is your perspective

and your typical advice toward things like mammograms and colonoscopies and things like that first of all nothing

about those are prevention they're just screening we call them prevention in our culture but they're just screening

mechanisms women with uh dense breast tissue small breast tissue modified whether they've had a biopsy a

lumpectomy a chip you know a tag placed after a biopsy or breast augmentation

are no longer candidates for mammograms they really need to move into other things like ultrasounds thermographies

and for gold standard if they do have a history of cancer breast MRI

um and so that's where we look there and then with regards to colonoscopies we now have some non-invasive techniques

like Cola guard and some of these others that you can do fecal testing beforehand that's less invasive and then you can

but you still usually have to follow up if something does come back positive you kind of want to take a look in there but we offer some alternative as to the

radiation radiator fluid they give you to clean out your bowel you can just high dose magnesium for a few days and

wash it out with some magnesium instead so you can keep your microbiome intact so there are ways that we use this as

tools of screening they're not tools of prevention real prevention would look at what are your vitamin D levels what are

your markers of inflammation what are your blood sugar levels those would be the places to start for True prevention

and then course correct those before they become a problem yep absolutely

love it okay what have I not asked you that you want to make sure that you leave with our audience

I just want to make sure that the three most fundamental things for your health and well-being are that you're

constantly inquiring about what brings you Joy or what are you grateful and

what did you come here to do that is something to constantly be evaluating for yourself because it will

set the field the the environment in which you get well or get sick and so I

hope I can leave that with your with your listeners that that's something that I want them to kind of check in

with periodically fantastic love it and where can people go to learn more about you

please please follow me at Nisha at Dr nisha.com that's my that's my email if

you're like wanting to follow up with some of these questions but m-t-i-h dot org that stands for

metabolic terrain Institute of health.org this is all about our non-profit the first and only in the

world non-profit residential integrative oncology hospital and

Research Institute that we're building in the southern part of Arizona and so I would love to share more about that with

you maybe on a secondary call but have your folks start to follow us there we are doing some pretty amazing things out

there in the desert um uh working on regenerating the land to regenerate the body and to regenerate

the soul so we our tagline is we're working on regeneration of the soil to the soul and everything in between so

we'd love for you to follow us there and see what we're up to awesome well I will share those in the show notes and thank

you Dr Nisha so much this has been fantastic what an absolute absolute honor to be with all of you Dr Lauren so

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